When to fold JJ or TT?

S

self_mahatma

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 28, 2013
Total posts
4
Chips
0
I have worst beats with pocket pairs. Mainly JJ, TT. If I rise them with preflop assuming they are premium, am finding it hard to fold when I own top pair after seeing the flop. But somehow they get beaten by higher pocket pairs that way.
If I just limp in and slow play them am giving free cards to get myself beaten.
Please give a strategy to all pocket pairs, especially JJ, TT.
 
H

hffjd2000

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Total posts
2,329
Chips
0
Overpair you mean.
The most important here is: Dont get broke (with these hands) at cash games.
If raise, raise big.
If call, fold if you know (by instinct) that youre beat.
 
W

wllstps

Rising Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 18, 2014
Total posts
17
Chips
0
In my opinion, and how i've been playing those hands, I fold them in case of big re-raise, like 3x my bet, usuallly, i raise to pot value those pairs in case of overpair, in case of trio of course i wont let go of my hand so easely. But in case of overpair. But dont do as many of the players I see that go all in as soon as they see the hand, and on early phase I fold TT if there is an all in, but I dont fold JJ. If you lose an all in with JJ on early phase, dont be sad, you've played it well, and you can't play poker, results oriented, play by strategy and you will get profit.

GOOD GRINDS! :D
 
Arjonius

Arjonius

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 8, 2005
Total posts
3,167
Chips
0
Please give a strategy to all pocket pairs, especially JJ, TT.
This is the kind of thing quite a few newbies ask. There is no nice, pat answer. The sooner you believe this the better. Poker is a highly situational game that involves making decisions with incomplete information. This means it's not very amenable to simple instructions like "when you have pocket pair XX, always do A"
 
S

Swickster007

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 13, 2014
Total posts
175
Chips
0
I usually raise pretty decent with these hands, but occasionally I will limp in and hope to slow play and hit my set. I just wouldn't commit to the pot unless you hit or on an early big raise and the flop seems favorable.
 
el_magiciann

el_magiciann

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2013
Total posts
1,971
Chips
0
I play them like middle pairs if there are over cards i easily can fold JJ or 10 10 it's not that hard to fold them.
 
Tulipaneiro

Tulipaneiro

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 18, 2014
Total posts
1,049
Awards
1
Chips
0
when i got pair type QQ-JJ and someone reraise me i think he got better pair.
 
O

OldDog456

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 14, 2013
Total posts
139
Chips
0
It also depends on your table position, so if you raise big under the gun you are likely to get called or even raised with an overpair or two bigger cards hitting the flop.
 
steveiam

steveiam

CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 9, 2013
Total posts
3,625
Chips
0
When there are 3 cards on the flop...

Sorry having a bad day with JJ..
 
EvertonGirl

EvertonGirl

Professional Fish
Loyaler
Joined
Feb 22, 2013
Total posts
8,421
Awards
3
GB
Chips
99
I always raise pre with TT and JJ, and only call if I am facing a raise.

I fold on the flop depending board texture and how much I have to call to see the next card, for example the board is AhKc7h and villain min bets, then I will stay in the hand and hope to hit my set on the turn but if he bets big then I will fold.
 
Jacki Burkhart

Jacki Burkhart

long winded rambler...
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Total posts
2,960
Awards
6
Chips
0
there is only 1 "Rule" I apply to mid pocket pairs. I always open raise them, from any position if I am first in the pot. ALWAYS. that means, I never open limp them and I never open fold them. NEVER.

beyond that, it is so situational.

first consideration: stack size. If you are shortish stacked (under 25bb) the value of mid pocket pairs goes WAAAAAY up. You should be looking to get it all in at some point. raise pre, hope for a caller and get it in on the flop if no over cards, or maybe if only 1 over card. If there is 1 raiser ahead of you, you'll nearly always 3bet which will likely put you all in.

If you have a medium stack and there is a raiser ahead of you, you may now entertain the option of flat calling and seeing a flop. But 3betting isn't a terrible idea either.

If you have a deep stack, you basically want to set mine with mid pocket pairs up through about JJ. if you're first in the pot go ahead and raise, but if there are limpers or raisers ahead of you just call along and hope to flop a set or maybe an OESD with an overpair... (ex: you limp along with 88 and flop comes 567, you can play this hand somewhat strong and fast compared to 88 on a board of 56J).
 
R3DRANG3R

R3DRANG3R

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 9, 2013
Total posts
278
Chips
0
when you think youre beat, you usually is. i usually play them based on position.
 
trolaAa

trolaAa

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 21, 2013
Total posts
274
Chips
0
well very dificult cards to play... u need to be very carefull with them .
I would raise to understand the opponent hand or just call and after i see the flop i will decide to play or fold.
 
pokertoi

pokertoi

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 20, 2009
Total posts
157
Chips
0
I have worst beats with pocket pairs. Mainly JJ, TT. If I rise them with preflop assuming they are premium, am finding it hard to fold when I own top pair after seeing the flop. But somehow they get beaten by higher pocket pairs that way.
If I just limp in and slow play them am giving free cards to get myself beaten.
Please give a strategy to all pocket pairs, especially JJ, TT.

When I have JJ, usually it's hove or fold. However sometimes I may raise 3 to 4 times bb, to see where others are at. If I get a re raise that's not huge and have the chips, i'll call to see the flop. If they re raise allin, it's a fold, unless I know the player and have a good read on them. 1010, is an easy fold unless I flop trips or a very good draw.
 
B

batvalk0

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Apr 14, 2012
Total posts
9
Chips
0
This is a mistake!!! NEVER raise with TT,JJ or even and QQ, as the chance to get K or A on the flop is a big (dont mention turn and river)
You always can chek or just call the blind, this is the rigth think to do with JJ or TT
 
Jacki Burkhart

Jacki Burkhart

long winded rambler...
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Total posts
2,960
Awards
6
Chips
0
This is a mistake!!! NEVER raise with TT,JJ or even and QQ, as the chance to get K or A on the flop is a big (dont mention turn and river)
You always can chek or just call the blind, this is the rigth think to do with JJ or TT

I think you'll find many good players disagree with this strategy you recommend.

calling a raise can be OK. but open limping with JJ is just askin to get your ass handed to you.
 
J

jonjr

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 30, 2014
Total posts
3
Chips
0
I like middle pairs JJ or 10 10 it's not that hard to fold them It really depends on flop
 
juanmapoker1

juanmapoker1

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2013
Total posts
77
Chips
0
I depends on the position and almost always 3bet pre flop
 
D

DGOOD

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 25, 2013
Total posts
28
Chips
0
I play them like middle pairs if there are over cards i easily can fold JJ or 10 10 it's not that hard to fold them.

I think this is the best way to play them. Treat them like middle pairs and be ready to let them go if overs come!
 
P

Poker77_LV

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 30, 2014
Total posts
9
Chips
0
when in the flop are high cards,and other goes all in.
 
W

wllstps

Rising Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 18, 2014
Total posts
17
Chips
0
Well just fold them dont play them xD JK GOOD GRINDS :D
 
eidikos

eidikos

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 1, 2014
Total posts
638
Awards
5
Chips
1
Raise or 3-bet pre flop with TT JJ.you can fold against a re-raise when you have a deep stack.post flop c-bet.post flop, when you have overpair you can go all in.with big cards on flop fold against aggression
 
S

Swickster007

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 13, 2014
Total posts
175
Chips
0
I just played JJ earlier. I was in a late position with JJ and everyone has folded. BB has a big stack and calls my 4bet up to 750 from 150. AJ3 flops. I check, he checks. Next card is a Q and I raise 900 which he snap calls, river comes a 7 (no flush options) and I shove all in (only 1100) which he calls with KQ off. Worked out nice for me but I usually fold JJ/1010 when a QK or A hits on the flop.
 
BearPlay

BearPlay

Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 15, 2014
Total posts
10,631
Chips
0
Like most "what to do" poker questions, the best answer is "it depends". The difficulty especially with JJ and TT is that they are at the crux of what some people would play as big pairs and others would play as mid-pairs. Sometimes it makes sense to raise with them, sometimes it makes sense to limp behind with them. I'm not a fan of open limping with either, however.
 
Folding in Poker
Top