What's your play here????

Just wondering what everyone thought about this spot????

pokerstars Game #41968906950: Tournament #257497219, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/03/31 2:10:59 ET
Table '257497219 50' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: VidrikVello (23980 in chips)
Seat 2: Honkers69 (23725 in chips)
Seat 3: rivers111 (35285 in chips)
Seat 4: Cogdill83 (5830 in chips)
Seat 5: sleepyhollow (17115 in chips)
Seat 6: UDontNoMe187 (12811 in chips)
Seat 7: mariano5 (9235 in chips)
Seat 8: yourdad2005 (17010 in chips)
Seat 9: crystaldawne (7315 in chips)
VidrikVello: posts the ante 50
Honkers69: posts the ante 50
rivers111: posts the ante 50
Cogdill83: posts the ante 50
sleepyhollow: posts the ante 50
UDontNoMe187: posts the ante 50
mariano5: posts the ante 50
yourdad2005: posts the ante 50
crystaldawne: posts the ante 50
rivers111: posts small blind 200
Cogdill83: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cogdill83 [7c 7d]
sleepyhollow: folds
UDontNoMe187: folds
mariano5: folds
yourdad2005: folds
crystaldawne: raises 800 to 1200
VidrikVello: calls 1200
Honkers69: folds
rivers111: folds
Cogdill83: ?????????

Well whatever you do, don't call.

Fold middle pairs here. As C9 alludes to you can't set-mine here committing 1/5 of your stack and even if the flop is all low cards you can't be too happy unless the flop contains a 7. A shove here probably gets called by one or both of the 2 opponents and at best you'll be racing. Yes your M is <10 but with middle PP you want to be 1st into the pot with a raise/shove not the 3rd one in.

Fold.

2 players with middle pair, probably U dont have more than 30%...

yeah folding seems to be a good option, the blinds are huge but you'll probably get a much better spot for your dwindling stack. On the other hand the squeeze play is intresting since the guy calling probably doesn't have much of a hand in the first place.
I'm not a big fan of staying small stack like that so I'll probably take a marginal gamble like that one, the big stack if probably calling with a very marginal hand and the raiser has overs to your cards most of the time, sometimes Ax depending on the player. It's 35/65 against doing it for me. You have to factor in the tightness of both players in this to come to a reasonable conclusion.

Fold here because it seems hard to get both off them to fold to your reraise and calling for a set is bad because your only getting 5 to 1 and you need 7 to 1. Only way that calling would give +ev is if you flop a set and get a triple up but that's unlikely. Either shove or fold. I would go for fold. You still have 13 bb so you still have a couple of rounds left. Hard to make a decision with this little info. Are they tight, loose. Do they fold to 4 bets often.

depending on both their stacks and what you noticed of their play i would either push or fold. Dont think it is a good spot to just call or make a min reraise

Obv not calling here ever.

I went for the squeeze and got called by both.....player one had Ac6c.....player two had KhQd.

So I was fine with my play I of course faded the K's the Q's and the A's....but the damn 6 on the flop and 6 on the river crushed my sould.

tought it was an interesting spot......was never considering anything put push or fold......just wanted to see what everyone else thought

mypokergrind said:

Obv not calling here ever.

I went for the squeeze and got called by both.....player one had Ac6c.....player two had KhQd.

So I was fine with my play I of course faded the K's the Q's and the A's....but the damn 6 on the flop and 6 on the river crushed my sould.

tought it was an interesting spot......was never considering anything put push or fold......just wanted to see what everyone else thought

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Don't worry you made the right play, tripling your stack in this position would've been huge.

I would fold that and save my chips for later.

mypokergrind said:

I went for the squeeze and got called by both.....player one had Ac6c.....player two had KhQd.

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IMHO you don't have a large enough stack to think about squeezing here and I'd say you were 'lucky' here in your opponents hands as you are less than a 3% favorite.

i dont think the odds are in your favor, and in poker that is not a good thing lol...i would fold thier and wait for another and better situation to get paid off on

Shove. 3/4 of the table has 15k plus to your 5k, so you need chips in order to play with these people. Original raiser is in the hijack position which could be a steal. She would have to risk over 70% of her chips to call your all in not to mention worry about the big stack putting her all in if she just flat calls. It looks like the big stack is looking to see a flop in position with intent of taking pot away from the raiser postflop at some point.

dwolfg said:

Shove. 3/4 of the table has 15k plus to your 5k, so you need chips in order to play with these people. Original raiser is in the hijack position which could be a steal. She would have to risk over 70% of her chips to call your all in not to mention worry about the big stack putting her all in if she just flat calls. It looks like the big stack is looking to see a flop in position with intent of taking pot away from the raiser postflop at some point.

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This ^ is a potential possibility.

If anything, OP should have best idea of what to do in this spot as it is player read dependent imo.

Jillychemung said:

IMHO you don't have a large enough stack to think about squeezing here and I'd say you were 'lucky' here in your opponents hands as you are less than a 3% favorite.

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^^^This. You are in a tourney, not a ring game. Wait for a better spot and better hand.

if you have any knowledge of either of these players it would be key. if it was only one player i would shove most the time but against two it is a little trickier

Grinder101 said:

Don't worry you made the right play, tripling your stack in this position would've been huge.

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Does making the right play mean you're gonna win 100% of the time?
I think you could of folded and waited for a better hand to shove with.

with your stack just fold and wait for a better hand, you can hold a couple more plays till you push all in

Even though everyone tells you not to... I'd call. You have 400 in, why not toss in another 800 to see if a 7 falls. I see no reason to put all your chips at risk with two sevens, you'd have one caller for sure.
So yeah, see the flop and decide, the only other option is to fold.

As BB I'd flat call - it makes your hand a lot trickier to read as well, and if you hit the set and an ace comes down it's likely you'll be able to trap.

Pascal LeFiscal said:

As BB I'd flat call - it makes your hand a lot trickier to read as well, and if you hit the set and an ace comes down it's likely you'll be able to trap.

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No. Flat calling is really, really bad. It's costing you way too much of your stack (1/5th) to call and set mine, nor will it hit often enough to make this call profitable.

I don't actually mind the shove here given our stack size vs blinds. I might be looking for the shove re-steal and pick up a nice pot or flip with a 14BB stack and hope to get lucky. ...But the fold is not a bad option, ethier. With 14BBs, you can wait for a better situation or position to get your money in.

yer the fold option is what i would do your always going to get better chances of winning

On chances of bank you are obliged or calling, or to go all-in. Especially you should deliver only 800 counters. It is possible even to go all-in that either to take away bank at once or to remain in private with somebody from players. So one of leaders has simply equaled рейз and did not begin to do re-raise, it is possible to assume that his hand not so strong... And other opponent also has not shown force, considering the size of its stack, it should or do large raise to take away bank at once, or to do smaller raise or slowplay (if at it the monster) to involve in bank as much as possible counters. Therefore against any of them at you very good chances. I likely would risk to play all-in, it is especially not known when the strong card will come, and you have not enough counters))))

philthy said:

No. Flat calling is really, really bad. It's costing you way too much of your stack (1/5th) to call and set mine, nor will it hit often enough to make this call profitable.

I don't actually mind the shove here given our stack size vs blinds. I might be looking for the shove re-steal and pick up a nice pot or flip with a 14BB stack and hope to get lucky. ...But the fold is not a bad option, ethier. With 14BBs, you can wait for a better situation or position to get your money in.

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My bad, sorry - misread his chipstack to have a 1 in front of it

What he said ^^

No information about the game's opponents clearly fold