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I joined a big tournament here in So Cal last night at the BIKE and was very dissappointed the way it ended.Buy in is $ 150 and guaranteed 1 Million prize fund,anyway heres what happened
Level 7
SB- 200
BB- 400
Ante - 25
Me = 14,000 chips
Villain = 16,000 chips
Villain = was in the BB raised to 1,200 chips with :9c4: :10s4: everybody folded except me.
Me = i have position against him and was dealt :kh4: :kd4: , i re-raised to 3,600 chips ,he called
Flop was :3h4: :9h4: :10h4: villain went all-in, it took me some time to really think about this because my tournament is on the line,
Turn is :5s4: River is :6c4: and i'm busted :mad: .
My question is Should i go all in before the flop ? Did i raised enough ?Or its just unfortunate he flopped 2 PAIR. ?
Please i want to hear your advice so it will help me improve my game.
 
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If the best poker player in the world, that knew every play and percentge correctly and played 100% optimally then they still would not win every tournament.

You played the hand correctly, move on and learn that sometimes you play poker hand correctly and still lose, that is why tournament poker is high variance.
 
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i dont understand how can you 3-bet the bb? did you limp from late and he raised you? anyway a raise out of position usually indicates a strong hand but we miss some info , how did you enter the pot? did you limp from early/mid or late pos? Overall with such stacks i cant see many hands calling a 3-bet especially out of position , at best some people may call with pocket pairs or AQ+ , if you combine this with his preflop raise then we can easily put him on 99+ AQ+.

On this board there are many possible things , he may have a set and he is afraid you will get a freecard and outdraw him , he may have AQ type hand with A heart and he is semibluffing , he may try to protect an overpair aswell , if he had the nuts i believe he would check-raise you so we can exclude flush from his range , If he is semibluffing you are a 55/45 favorite , if he has a set you are 65/35 dog , if he has an overpair you win QQ,JJ but lose to AA , There is a small chance he is on a stonecold bluff because the stacks are kinda short and he may tilt.

Overall i think his all in move is a protection bet to prevent you outdraw him but even then you win 2 hands (QQ,JJ) out of 5 (99,TT,AA) and there is a small chance you face a bluff or semibluff and you have 9 outs to complete a king high flush , i think calling the all in was the correct move especially when you are a medium to short stack , if the stacks were big you could easily fold this.

Sometimes people will do insane calls and raises because they tilt and they want to get lucky , calling a 3-bet out of position with 9T is terrible especially with a short stack, there is only luck on such play , its not really your fault , mtts are like this and you have to get used to it.
 
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i dont understand how can you 3-bet the bb? did you limp from late and he raised you?

^^this. HH makes little sense until you correct this.
 
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Played the best way. Definitely hard luck that he drew out ou you.
 
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You shouldve bet more pre-flop or shoved pre-flop. You played it wrong pre-flop but I guess its just unlucky as well. It happens man and it would be a great lay down if you fold here (it'll be hard for me to).
 
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I don't think you made a bad play, perhaps your raise could have been a little bit more. Some of it's got to do with the read of your opponent, so that you know how much to raise.
 
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This same thing happened to me and I decided that I should have gone all-in pre-flop.... Because I dont think I am folding even if they come over the top of my raise on the flop.

Also one time I had aces and the flop came and I pushed all-in got called. The caller only had one pair he had hit top pair on the flop. That was lucky that I got called and was dominating but he caught his other card on the turn and darn it I lost.

It feels like I get screwed about 65% of the time when I try to milk the pot.
 
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You played it right pre-flop, his shove is protection, probably thought you would fold if you didn't hit. KK is tough to fold in this position but not a bad fold if you have info on player that suggest he only does this with made hand 2 pr or better. Gutsy call, although you got UL. Move on!!!!!
 
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All in should stop him... Thats my opinion is better to get 1500 chips than be busted with unlucky. At that poin i recomend and allin with your bet he his a very well stacked player at that time i would do what Villain do just to se the flop much more to win than to lose... and hes got it!
 
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confused about the HH but isnt the pot like 20bb OTF?

bet/call seems like the nuts since villain does this with sooooooo much worse.

a) if he's 3x calling with T9o then he does it with JTo etc so he can have weaker hands here

b) when we're behind our heart is normally good like 90% of the time so yah.. bet/call is the nuts here

nothing you could of done.. also don't reshove pre, no value.
 
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I would have played it the same way as you. You have to congratulate yourself for playing correctly.

With KK up against A-rag in many cases it is good to see if an ace comes up in flop but of course KK is a monster hand that does well in all-in scenarios.

You also had a 45% of pairing the board by the river (although in this case may have given villain a boat)

The player also does not seem very tight playing 9-10 so that again made your call that much better.

You did the right thing but odds are not always a sure thing as we all know.
 
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nothing youcould have done except shove pre but that would be a EV- move as you would scare him off. you got unlucky man. dont see any other way that hand could have gone down.
 
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Its better to play the player than the cards.

You miss read the guy... who would raise w/ 106 bs... you should improve your reads and pick up other's tells. If it was live then he would of been fidgety you should stare him down a bit... a 3x bb is not enough to make some one fold. If u want a fold bet 1/2 there stack if you want a call 3x is about the amount he would call or min re-raise.

Bet with intention some players fold with min bet tight ones... loose ones like the ones that play 106... well u need 1/2 their stack and sometimes there stupid enough to call u. U had over pair, + a flush draw and 3,9 would of given u 2 pair. U dream for flops like dat that was just a donk that got lucky cause u didn't step on his throat early.

I would work on ur reading of players... if u bust 106 v KK live with it cause ur gonna win big most of the time but don't limp in like that bet 5x on a loose player you id. Guy, I had QQ on a loose player he had J2 flop quads... I should have folded flop JJJ... but I'm like how in the hell did he have AA, KK that was my read... I'm like impossible he had that I was right he had the J... lol... only in poker. That was like 3 yrs ago and I crushed plenty of loose callers since, so I remember it with fondness now.

Work on ur reading and crush donks dat play 106 like its AJ or AK.
 
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You shouldve bet more pre-flop or shoved pre-flop. You played it wrong pre-flop
They are 35bb's effective pre (35 & 40bb's), 3betting as much as he did pre is more than enough (he 3x the 3bb's). Shoving allin over the raise would be terrible! :eek:
 
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You miss read the guy... who would raise w/ 106 bs... you should improve your reads and pick up other's tells. If it was live then he would of been fidgety you should stare him down a bit... a 3x bb is not enough to make some one fold. If u want a fold bet 1/2 there stack if you want a call 3x is about the amount he would call or min re-raise.
this ^ is lol ridiculous! ('fidgety' lol).. raise 1/2 stack, lol... why does he want a fold???

Work on ur reading and crush donks dat play 106 like its AJ or AK.
Maybe work on ur reading of the post > 106 wtf? Who had 106? Villain had T9
 
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Its better to play the player than the cards.

You miss read the guy... who would raise w/ 106 bs... you should improve your reads and pick up other's tells. If it was live then he would of been fidgety you should stare him down a bit... a 3x bb is not enough to make some one fold. If u want a fold bet 1/2 there stack if you want a call 3x is about the amount he would call or min re-raise.

Bet with intention some players fold with min bet tight ones... loose ones like the ones that play 106... well u need 1/2 their stack and sometimes there stupid enough to call u. U had over pair, + a flush draw and 3,9 would of given u 2 pair. U dream for flops like dat that was just a donk that got lucky cause u didn't step on his throat early.

I would work on ur reading of players... if u bust 106 v KK live with it cause ur gonna win big most of the time but don't limp in like that bet 5x on a loose player you id. Guy, I had QQ on a loose player he had J2 flop quads... I should have folded flop JJJ... but I'm like how in the hell did he have AA, KK that was my read... I'm like impossible he had that I was right he had the J... lol... only in poker. That was like 3 yrs ago and I crushed plenty of loose callers since, so I remember it with fondness now.

Work on ur reading and crush donks dat play 106 like its AJ or AK.
You are so mis informed with your advice.:eek: ,maybe you got the wrong thread,next time read from the beginning before you give your advice.
 
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I'm feeling the same effects I've been hit with stupid luck left and right, time and time again, I've invested a pretty decent chunk of change into online poker at America's Card Room and it seems that no matter tourney or open table, I get something decent going then suddenly people play stupid hands that they somehow manage to hit. I can be sitting on 3 of a kind post flop and they will need to hit 2 cards on turn and river, and they push me all in and hit them both.
 
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Actually, I think you played it right. I will play exactly the way you did. I will not shove 35BB with KK preflop. You also raised enough. This flop is tough, which is true. You have a top pair and a good flush draw. He moved all-in to protect his two pairs, but you have a lot of outs to beat his hand. You should have 50% to win but you just didn't hit your card. That's poker, dude.
 
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i have been told repeatedly not to go bust after the flop with 1 pair but i still do.im to new to the game to give any advise other than maybe listen to this advise that i have been given
 
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there is othing wrong with tht it happens to everyone
 
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Villain = was in the BB raised to 1,200 chips with :9c4: :10s4: everybody folded except me.

How did the BB raise first? Did you limp kings?
 
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I think anyone in that position would have called... I know I would have.. u had an over pair, and a flush draw.. Plus u had raised preflop so much, i couldnt have really put him on anyother hand than a small or medium pair, which would have eliminated the flush draw scare in my mind.. I would just be more careful next time.. and yes raise more.. i know it seems like overkill sometimes.. but its better to win a small pot.. than to lost a big pot.. so just keep that in mind.. and maybe next time u can see the tales.. and figure out what the villian is trying to do before he does it... sorry about the bad luck brother..
 
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