re: Poker & What are your criteria for floating on the flop?
Originally Posted by zingbust
great thread, everyone who posted had good points. Now, what about playing against someone who you think is floating you? You're in position and you didn't hit the flop but you c-bet. It's early in the tourney so you don't have much information on the guy who calls your c-bet. The turn misses you. He bets, now what? I guess my weakness is that I almost always fold because there's a good chance he's not floating and he really did hit either the flop or the turn. So now, I'm one of the oldest players at the table and the young sharp aggressive guys label me as someone they can take advantage of and they do.
I need some weapons against these guys, any tips?
I'm less likely to expect that I'm Being floated when I'm in position (it's possible for higher level aggressive players to reverse float...but that's a whole different move. let's not worry about it so much right now).
so to answer your question: they may have picked up on the fact that you Cbet too often, and so they are planning to check/call down with a weak made hand. That is not really the same thing as a float. You can either give up on these pots, or find a way to win them.
If they have a weak made hand it is probably 2nd or 3rd pair, or a pocket pair between top pair and bottom pair. so, if an Ace or face card hits and they lead out on the turn, you can flat. that will scare the crap out of bottom pair. if a blank hits, you'll pretty much need to fold or raise, IMO.
The other reason players will check/call out of position is with a draw. so if the board contains a draw that hit, and they lead out on the turn then just fold.
OK....those were all for when you are in position. But what about when you are out of position and suspect you are being floated?
I'm going with SubyRafael on this one. If I have a medium strength made hand like top pair, I'll likely just check/call and let them bet it for me. Simultaneously inducing bluffing action while pot controlling with a 1 pair hand.
If I have a medium made hand like 2nd pair or a pocket pair between top and bottom pair, then I'll go ahead and bet out again. Don't want to show weakness to a suspected floater, but my hand isn't strong enough to induce action.
if I have nothing, or a draw and I don't want to give up on the pot, then I'll likely check raise as I'm not gonna be too bummed if I have to fold my nothing hand.