What would you do in this situation?

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So this happened to me over a year ago in the swedish online championship with a 215bi wich i qualified into via a satelite.

I've been doing well, and it's roughly 30 ppl til the bubble burst.

I find myself on the button with aq off suit and if i remember correctly around 246k chips, with blinds 2/4k. Dont remember the ante but nvrmind that.
anyway, I bet 10k in hope of getting some action and bb, whos been playing loose and fishy calls. His stack is roughly 300k.

the flop comes Ac Qd 2h.
villian bets 20k wich i reraise to 70k knowing that he likes to stab any pot he's in and I figure I beat most of the hands he'd play. To my surprise he calls and the turn shows up. 7s.
He checks the turn and I bet 90k. The villian thinks for a good 40 secs before calling and then comes the river: 10c.
Villian insta shoves and after thinking for 2 minutes I concluded that my top 2 pairs where beaten by a straight and I layed it down.
I still dont know if I did the right decision, but maybe I was too tight. That was my first big online tourney and I so badly wanted to cash in it, and I felt the rig was gonna get my ass when I was doing well lol.
What do you guys say? What would you do? What could I have done different?
Much appreciation
 
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just my opinion but the way you were talking k.j 2,2 defos in his range. I,d say you played it well you bet enough 2 scare him and he didn,t budge and then his shove is either a strong hand or a complete angle play were he knows he gives you a tournment choice on at best trips in his eyes and probs weighed up your game and knew you wouldn,t call.

I,d say he probs angled you out your chips but only an opinion
 
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myself i would have been watching everyone on the table and not just that how long they took when they bet. Then you watch what hands they are calling raising etc.
you said he was playing aggressively and and calling most things.

for him to take nearly the mazimum time to think makes me think you did the right thing.
myself i wouldnt have raised with the pair of aces i would have checked and watched waht everyone else did and just called till the final round of betting.
i find the bigger the tournament the more likely to be stung in that sort of way.

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I think the question here is:

Should I play to cash? Should I play to win?

We all face that question in tournaments. I used to be the player that played for a cash spot. Recently, I have started playing to win. My ROI has become much higher as a result. Playing to win, I would have called. If you were playing to make sure you hit a cash spot, I think the fold was correct.
 
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This is an interesting hand. I like your line preflop. Flop is ok. I might have just called to conceal the strength of my hand. Once you make that raise and he calls, the pot is so big you have to ship the turn. You are only losing to a set at that point. If you we're not looking to ship it on this hand, do not raise the flop. That bloats the pot and if you are not prepared to go broke on this hand it can put you in a bad spot.
 
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I think villain had A10 by the way you described it. You really think he's betting out with a gutter ball on the flop? IMO he bet the flop to see where he was at with his A10. On the turn he check calls(hesitantly) pondering on the fact whether he's ahead with his A10. River gives him 2 pair and the mindset that he has gotten ahead of your AK so what does he do?? He jams!!
 
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you lose with KJ, AA, QQ, 22, TT, now, with AA, QQ, or TT, i think he should 3bet, and with 2-2 or 7-7 (and probably T-T) he would shove preflop, so just KJ was the hand that i think you should be afraid,

then he was losing with a lot of hands, like A-T, A-2, A-7, Q-T, Q-7, Q-2, T-7 and T-2, so i think you were ahead by far and maybe he was thinking you just hit a top pair (the ace) and he saw himself ahead because two pairs, actually my feeling is he was holding Q-T, with any ace he were shove after flop and he was calling until he hit the second pair and felt he got you,

anyway you had more information than i so maybe the decision you took was the right one in that moment
 
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I dont know If I had bet 90 k on turn after that 70 k call on flop. By calling this he was almost committed in the hand imo. And a shove on the river was for me foreseen after his call. I had called his all in , ok im a fish ( but thats a diff story)
gl on and off the felts
 
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I think from your info here, I would have shoved on the flop.
 
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you lose with KJ, AA, QQ, 22, TT, now, with AA, QQ, or TT, i think he should 3bet, and with 2-2 or 7-7 (and probably T-T) he would shove preflop, so just KJ was the hand that i think you should be afraid,
In what world do you think a player with 75 BB in a tourny shove preflop with 7-7 or 2-2? If he was short stacked I'd understand it but I don't agree with your thinking.
 
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I think when u saw the flop you supposed to be much more aggressive with your hand.

So I would do...
 
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I just can't imagine he called a 70,000 chip re-raise on the flop and a 90,000 chip bet on the turn with a gut shot straight draw. I think the only thing in his range that he beats you with is 22, possibly he floated the flop bet and flopped a set of 7's. More likely imo he hit two pair on the turn. A7 or Q7 if he was really loose. So he let you lead in to him on the turn thinking he was ahead, and on the river he didn't feel safe checking back so he shoved knowing that both of you were already too far in to the pot. I call there.
 
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This is an interesting hand. I like your line preflop. Flop is ok. I might have just called to conceal the strength of my hand. Once you make that raise and he calls, the pot is so big you have to ship the turn. You are only losing to a set at that point. If you we're not looking to ship it on this hand, do not raise the flop. That bloats the pot and if you are not prepared to go broke on this hand it can put you in a bad spot.

I really think it is either 22 or A10.

The call of the turn makes me seriously suspect 2s. I think I would have checked turn just to keep pot control down and re-evaluate the river.

Tough spot. But I am leaning towards set.
 
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Thanks for the analyze guys. The one thing making me hesitant in calling except for the fact that usually when you run good, and you face a shove from that type of player, especially if he haves you covered, you bust, is that I've seen him done the exact type of plays in 2 of the 30ish hands I spent on the table with him.
The first hand was a nut flush, semi-bluffing the flop, got raised and then called the raise, calling the turn after a check, and then when the last card, completing the flush hit, he insta shoves.
The second hand was a full house (jacks full of 4s) jack dropped on the river.
Just had a feeling he wont shove all his chips without a big hand.
I do have a feeling he could call with a gutshot all the way, since he played a bit fishy and donky the other hands.
AT is the hand I've been grumbling about lol.

Anyway, if this situation occurs again I'll try to ignore the gut feeling and go with the logics. Thanks a bunch guys!

And fyi I managed to recover from that hand and make it to 147th place. Not to day 2 tough, and the shitty thing about my bust was that my telecom company reseted something in my area so internet went down 40 minutes to day 2, and I couldn't do shit about it.
I lost all faith in fortuna that night. >_<
BUT, except form the price money I also called the telecom company and whined about it and they actually paid me the full buy in for the tourney lol.

And the villian... well he finished top three >_<
 
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So top three means a lot, i think, first of all he 100% have beaten your 2 pairs and his hand most probable was 22.. Second of all he may be playing a lot of hands but he knows how to play them, there are even pro players that can play every 2 damn cards even hands like J4 and win big pots, playing this type of hands you are hardly readable from your opponents, if you learn to play this type of poker , you can be in top 3 too. I don't tell you are not good or sth i tell this to all the readers as an opinion that this style is really profitable. I tried to play frisky too at medium stakes 0,25/0,50 $ring games and i made some good profit, but in the end i just didnt feel comfortable with this style. Working and developing it will be the most priceless thing i should learn to be good at poker.
 
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So top three means a lot, i think, first of all he 100% have beaten your 2 pairs and his hand most probable was 22.. Second of all he may be playing a lot of hands but he knows how to play them, there are even pro players that can play every 2 damn cards even hands like J4 and win big pots, playing this type of hands you are hardly readable from your opponents, if you learn to play this type of poker , you can be in top 3 too. I don't tell you are not good or sth i tell this to all the readers as an opinion that this style is really profitable. I tried to play frisky too at medium stakes 0,25/0,50 $ring games and i made some good profit, but in the end i just didnt feel comfortable with this style. Working and developing it will be the most priceless thing i should learn to be good at poker.

Yeah, I guess it does, still annoyed about it tough :p It feels like my big "What if" tourney since I wasn't able to finish it the way I wanted. I still got a long way to go, but telling me the fold was correct makes it a bit easier.

Cheers
 
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