What would you do in this situation?

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5 hours into the Foxwoods mega stack $340

So this has bothered me since it happened and I need closure.

The blinds are 300/600 25,

I limp in with 44 and about 18k behind from 2nd UTG,

tight player makes it 2400 with around 11k behind in middle position,

cutoff calls and is big stack at table,

BB who is a manic with 15k behind calls.

Back to me..........what would you do if you were me?:icon_salu
 
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I would fold there.....too many variables in that hand to be playing with something like 4 4...what if the maniac has something like 4 5 off and pairs his 5
 
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I believe if i heard right on this forum.You need ever one in the hand to have at least 10x the amount of the raise to make it a profitable call to be set mining.
 
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Aside from a purely 'odds to setmine' standpoint, which we are alllmost getting (a flopped set would almost surely win a stack with the right bet sizing on the flop), I would still fold in this spot for a number of reasons. Bad position, 3 opponents, maniac to act first and the tight raiser to act next. and still a very healthy stack if we fold. For me it's a no brainer and I certainly would not be haunted by making the fold here.

Unless, of course, you go on to tell us the flop was like 4 A 4 and the tight guy ended up having aces. Then I would be a little haunted :D

BTW, I also think it was not good limp 44 from UTG+2. Raise to take a lead on the betting or fold, IMO
 
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Funny you say that the flop came 484 tight guy shoved with KK, chip leader called his all in with 99 and manic called with 75 off............blank on the turn 6 on the river............:eek::eek::eek:
 
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Funny you say that the flop came 484 tight guy shoved with KK, chip leader called his all in with 99 and manic called with 75 off............blank on the turn 6 on the river............:eek::eek::eek:



lol tough luck that one (I am assuming you folded, from the dynamic of your post ) but I would also say its a hard call, from the outside looking in. I would tend to respect the tight raiser here. You could have seen the flop and been in good shape to fold, IDK, the tight raiser is just seething QQ-AA. AKs, and do we want to go against this to the flop??? with 2 other active players still in?? I could see me folding, but as I said, its hard to say (or easy to say) when just theorizing.

I tend to be a bit more aggressive with a healthy stack here, not limping but raise here (2.5-3.5 bb) but I would almost definitely fold the RR from a TAG, so hmmmmmmmm. hard to say.

I hope you called....... Many would have folded, if you did, closure is not needed, you did not make a mistake IMO.
 
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Funny you say that the flop came 484 tight guy shoved with KK, chip leader called his all in with 99 and manic called with 75 off............blank on the turn 6 on the river............:eek::eek::eek:


lol, I just had a feeling from the way your post was written that there was a flop like that involved. Did you fold pf? Or are you going to come back and tell us that you won a stack or two?
 
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For another 1800 and 3 people already in and being the last to act. I would have at least called to see the flop at least. With 8000 already in the pot and another 225 from antes (assuming there are 9 people at the table). 8025 (2400*3+ur own 600+225) or so to 1800 is about 4.5 for a call. If I wasn't the last one to call, I probably would not have called, but than again 4.5:1, who knows? GL in the future
 
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I don't like it too much, but I'd probably call it and see a flop. You hit your set you stack multiple players, especially if an there's an A on the flop, worth the risk imo.
 
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your getting ~about 5 to 1 preflop and good chance of stacking someone if you flop the set. you need about 10 to 1 mininmum to get implied odds and a tight player isolating you so late is a good sign he's getting in post flop. with so many in the pot and you close the action it's a call imo. I would have folded preflop for sure though. KJo is insta shove though.
 
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I'd have to lay it down. I'm sure you probably did and it either would've flopped a set or quads, but I think laying this one down is your best bet.
 
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your getting ~about 5 to 1 preflop and good chance of stacking someone if you flop the set. you need about 10 to 1 mininmum to get implied odds and a tight player isolating you so late is a good sign he's getting in post flop. with so many in the pot and you close the action it's a call imo. I would have folded preflop for sure though. KJo is insta shove though.

Huh? Where did this come from?
 
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30bb's in EP with a bunch of re-steal-sized stacks on the table... I'm folding pre w 44. If stacks were deeper, w/o a bunch of re-steal-sized stacks I'm opening with a raise.

As played... once I've limped and the pot goes 4way if I make a call.... idk.. probably folding & wondering why I limped in in the first place.
 
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The limp is bad if you don't want to play the hand. When you limp fold you're not sending the right signal to the table. Also with the raise and that many players in the pot, you get pot odds to make the the call, see the flop, dump and you're hand if you miss the flop, and still have chips enough to be in the game.

I don't think limping is bad with that kind of hand, and position dosn't really matter much (unless you want to to steal) either you hit your hand or not.

The worst thing about this play, is if the other players pick up on you, and starts raising / reraising every time you enter a pot, because you have shown that you'll fold light to aggresive players.
 
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