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Still early in a tournament, so still have 40BB's. Question is:
EP raises to 5BB, you're in EP also, and have AQ suited. Do you call, fold, or raise. I folded since it was early, and I was in EP. Not concerned with result as so much as decision based on situation.
He had KK and won a big pot, and I would of whiffed, but what would you have done in regards to the raise?
 
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we can either Flat or Fold than reraise because the pot is already 5bbs and if we reraise , we would be getting ourselves into a typical spot which we must avoid , it is a pot which needs possibly pot control so we can only flat if we wanna play hand

another thing is Its actually depends on player for sure
if the player is tight and most likely has better hand than us which is AK or A premium pair , then we can just flat to see the flop hoping for str8 + flush draw or two pair and proceed accordingly based on action and against other types we must proceed based on reads on player

and at the same the thought process is also not wrong from your point of view as you didnt had position to deal with situation
and since the raise is from EP the opp most likely opening a premium hand and possibly better than us
So fold is not bad
 
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lol unless you r in UTG position otherwise I dont see the point of folding AQs here. you might fold AQo but come on, AQs is the 7th starting hands.
 
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I at least call, if i am in an early position i probably call if i am in the button maybe i raise or call but i never drop that cards unless i am in the bubble
 
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In early stages w/ room to play, this is almost always a call just to see a flop for me.
 
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I would raise and try to get it in, or if i thought he might have Q's or K's i would flat and look for an ace then fold to a crazy c bet. If you are beat dump the hand no shame in folding.
 
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I'm stupid enough to think a 5x open raise from EP has a greater likelihood of being a small pair. And since I like early tourney explorations I might look him up, but it would be a fit or fold flop for me.

Of course it would be player dependent. There are many who I call in a heartbeat, and many who I fold to in similar situations.

AQ early can be a trouble hand, especially from EP. So don't feel odd about NOT pursuing it under those circumstances. If anything, you can use it to pat yourself on the back about later in the tourney when your crushed cards have decimated your ego but you still have some chips left.....
 
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I personally hate the AQ hand so 8 out of 10 times I fold, especially early in the tournament. Later in the tournament it depends on how you classify the player. Could be a Loose-Aggressive type for all we know or a tight-conservative.
 
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Call or 3bet. Folding is not an option to a single raise.

Call and re evaluate flop is a conservative route to take you do have position on the raiser.

3bet is an option as well but it would really depend on your opponent and how they have been playing. If they are loose aggressive and you feel you are ahead or flipping mostly you can 3 bet with intention of stacking off.
If they are tighter or more solid you can 3bet it and blow them off really descent hands on the flop as they might flat it oop mostly middle pairs 88-JJ and AK. Also it is a pretty easy fold if they four bet it here as you are almost always crushed.
 
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It was early in the tournament, so I had no read on the player at all. I appreciate all the answers and will experiment in the future with the different options suggested. Thanks.
 
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Your most profitable play is to call and see a flop and go from there. Folding pre can make sense if the raise is coming from a super tight player who only raises QQ+ but for most you need to see a flop with that hand.
 
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Hello CardDeam711,

AQ are cards that really invite the player to raise at least 3 times the BB, however all care is little to face a player that enters with a 5X reraise, I believe the best thing really is to call and thus try to show the villain Who has the best hand and so wait for his reaction to be able to make the best moves, with many raises of the villain has no way, is to fold and follows the game !!!
 
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your both in early?

you can not listen to what some people are suggesting here :S
your early in the tournament, you have 40bb, you can get your blinds when the spot is more favourable, in all honesty, how could you possibly call this,
for players saying but its A Qs and they would fold A Qo
im so confused, its only a 1% extra chance of winning pre flop, and the pot is already over inflated, we cant even find out where we are in the hand because were in early position, there are too many chips that are going to be dwindled away

im fairly certain aswell he plays KK this way, but what about AK i imagine it would play out the same, only diff is if he has AK and you hit your Ace your now going to get into trouble

remember, most of the chips you do win should not be trying to get to showdown but by taking advantage of other peoples mistakes, as a result i could only call this if i know he will be super passive after the flop
 
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Outstanding Advice

remember, most of the chips you do win should not be trying to get to showdown but by taking advantage of other peoples mistakes, as a result i could only call this if i know he will be super passive after the flop

I needed to read this - especially for my early Freeroll game. Taking advantage of mistakes really IS where I've done well, and this fact didn't sink into my consciousness until you mentioned it. So... Thanks!:D
 
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your both in early?

you can not listen to what some people are suggesting here :S
your early in the tournament, you have 40bb, you can get your blinds when the spot is more favourable, in all honesty, how could you possibly call this,
for players saying but its A Qs and they would fold A Qo
im so confused, its only a 1% extra chance of winning pre flop, and the pot is already over inflated, we cant even find out where we are in the hand because were in early position, there are too many chips that are going to be dwindled away

im fairly certain aswell he plays KK this way, but what about AK i imagine it would play out the same, only diff is if he has AK and you hit your Ace your now going to get into trouble

remember, most of the chips you do win should not be trying to get to showdown but by taking advantage of other peoples mistakes, as a result i could only call this if i know he will be super passive after the flop

If a hand is suited we will have 3% more to win , not 1%:)

Why cant we call with AQs there especially when we are deep enough to do so ,
But the play is entirely player dependent , remember there are players too who often raises 5x-6x even with 88-JJ in tourneys
If we have reads on player we can profitably call and take a look at flop and if its favourable for us we can continue , there is no problem in that

no player would be super passive when he's shown aggression preflop by raising 5x unless hes a complete fish & gambler for which we can even shove against his raise with our AQs
 
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Still early in a tournament, so still have 40BB's. Question is:
EP raises to 5BB, you're in EP also, and have AQ suited. Do you call, fold, or raise. I folded since it was early, and I was in EP. Not concerned with result as so much as decision based on situation.
He had KK and won a big pot, and I would of whiffed, but what would you have done in regards to the raise?

I probably would have rerasied and folded to a shove. I don't like to pass up looking at a flop with good cards cause they don't come enough so there is a chance Id just called to see what came out. If it was low cards immediate fold if I hit my Q he could drag me if he bet low enough but would fold to a high bet .any other people in the hand too?
 
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I guess It depends on blinds at the current moment for me. Since you have 40bbs and It was a 5bb raise from EP (I'm assuming UTG/UTG+1). With AQ you can fold. It also really depends on the blinds of the game. If the game were 12 minute levels and deep (Than easy fold), If on the other hand It was a turbo with and 6 max, than you'd need to figure out the player (So more Info would be required).

Still I don't dislike AQ, I just don't like AQ to a 5xOpen pre and me flatting. Really not worth It at all.
 
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1. PRF - call/raise (as you dont know that he has KK)
2. AQs is a premium (~3%) hand, even if your op has all of the better (99-AA) hands you have good good ods on catching up
3. You have 40bb and a raise to see the flop with this hands actually small
 
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i think i would fold in ep with a-q-5bb,s is about as much as i would call with if i chose to call raise to see flop-most likely im folding unless villian is a known bluffer or agro lag
 
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I don´t think it was a mistake to fold the AQs in EP, I believe it can be considered as EV+ , but the call in this position has more EV+, than the fold. AQs has an excellent post-flop in most of the situations, and if you can put the villain in ranges like AA, KK, you could easily fold depending on the flop.
 
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You did the right thing, probably you didn't have a read over the guy with KK as it was early in the tournament. AQs is not so impressive card when you are in EP so you made the right choice.
 
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AQ I will call and see the Flop. After that If didn't hit A or Q and he insist on going above 3BB I will fold. :ad4: :qd4:
 
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He raised 5 BB EP , we have 40 BB on EP , for me it's a fold , if we had more BB we would have called /flat this hand and see the action preflop and postflop , trying to hit two pairs or better to win his range . If an Ace hit the board I would have played it then more aggressively on the turn ( bet the turn ) if the flop was dry etc .
If he had raised with 3BB it would be a bit easier , but 5 Bb from EP , our minds go to monster hands
 
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I actually did exactly the same thing as you, and it turned out to be the same situation. Raiser had Pocket Kings and board bricked out. But I really think it is a judgement call, and it really depends on what your gut is telling you. I remember a poker pro once saying that you never want to bust out of a tourney with a queen in your hand, and the old pros used to call AQ walking back to Houston.
 
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Early in the game and you're dropping almost top 5 preflop -- no go. At least see the flop. Hindsight 20/20 you made the right move, but there's nothing wrong with a call.
 
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