what would u have done pt 1

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I made the ft of the pub league 10$ buy in tournament i had about 96000 chips when i began the hand. Our ft is 8 to a table. The blinds are 5000-10000 with no ante utg folds ugt2 who has about 87000 chips left raises too 60000 chips the next player folds cut off decides to re raise all in for his last 116000 chips. I was on the button and i look down and i have pocket qq and i go into a big time tank. I have a very big time hand but cut off goes all in and got me covered it was a very difficult decision he could have over or the only two hands that could hurt me aa or kk it took me 6 minutes to make my decision what would u have done in my shoes.
 
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When somebody in early position makes a pot committing raise followed by someone else shoving, I think it's very likely that at least one of them has KK or AA. However, you also have to consider what types of players these are, if they're maniacs then they might be doing this with something like 44 or A6s. I have limited experience, so take it with a grain of salt, but assuming that the other two players are playing reasonably well and if I had to make a decision like this for my whole stack in this situation I think I would fold it pretty quickly.

My thought is this; if in a tournament two other players are willing to put their entire stacks or close to it on the line, and I don't have AA, I'm definitely getting out of the way. In your situation, if the cutoff loses, he's crippled with 3BB. If the original raiser loses, he's out. Either way, your equity goes up and at no risk to you. This is why they say you can make money in tournament poker by folding, when two other big stacks are willing to knock each other out and you ladder up just by sitting there and watching.

QQ is a good hand HU, but in a 3-way pot when your tournament life is on the line, it becomes a lot weaker. If you were up against AKo and JJ, for example, you would actually be an underdog (46.6% to 53.3%) to those two hands combined because any A or K on the board would end your tournament, as would another J.
 
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It actually depends on how good are the rest players on the table.
If you can outplay them easily you can fold and wait for a better spot.
If you ask me though on that spot I would call.
 
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Like you said, one of them could have Kings or Aces, or two overs. Hell, I've seen situations where both of them have weak Aces and an Ace still hits the board on the flop, crushing the Qs.

As has already been stated, a big part of the decision is going to be taking into consideration the type of players you are up against. Also consider what has happened so far and what it means. The guy in the +2 seat has put 70% of his stack at risk already and is very unlikely to fold for the last 17k at this point. By coming over the top for all of his chips, the player in the CO seat his pretty much screaming that he's strong. How strong is strong? Some players wouldn't be willing to raise with what I would raise with, but would shove with much less than I would be willing to shove with. So it depends on the player.

One other thing that other players may be willing to do, that I prefer to avoid, is get involved in 3-way all-ins. As Propane Goat suggested, this might be a good spot for you to just get out of the way. You haven't risked a single chip at this point. You can let them knock each other out, while you sit back and collect free information, and possibly move up the pay ladder by doing nothing.
 
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