This is a discussion on What is roi? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; I looked mine up on opr and it says 158%. What is a decent or average roi? 


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158% indicates to me you've probably binked a high tournament score in proportion to your average buyin. Years ago I won a $25K GTD on FT and my ROI was like 750% and stayed triple digits on that site for years, because I played a pretty low volume of MTTs.
A "good" ROI depends on a lot of factors and the types of games you play. For MTTs, 10% would be considered decent. A very good MTT player will run around 1520% over a longterm sample. Pro's might hit around 3545%. The very rare MTT god like a Shaun Deeb can hit higher than that, like 60+%. As fields get bigger, variance increases, which makes ROI more spotty. But statistically the main problem with MTTs is volume  it's very difficult to attain a sample size that makes the numbers converge into a truly meaningful ROI, but those I mentioned are a rule of thumb. SNG ROI converges faster since volume is easier to attain. Lower stakes ROI's of 1020% can be achieved by very good players. As stakes increase, good ROI's are typically in the single digits. 
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re: Poker & What is roi?
It's "return on investment", which is a measure of how much you gain relative to the amount you put up. So for example, let's say you play 100 tournaments at $1 each. You've put up (invested) a total of $100; it doesn't matter if it was the same $1 over and over.
Then, let's say that after playing all 100 games, you've won prizes totaling $120, which means your net winnings are $20. Your ROI is $20 / $100 = 20%. If you had a net loss, your ROI can be negative; e.g. if your wins added up to $75 instead of $120, your net would be $25, and your ROI would be $25 / $100 = 25%. 
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I'm still a bit confused about this ROI business myself. For example, if a person has a bankroll of $100, and after a month of playing lots of MTT's he finds himself with $120, does he have an ROI of 20%? But what about if this same player, after playing tournaments for six months, still has a bankroll of $120... Would you then say that in the long run, he has an ROI of 20%? But wouldn't you agree that these are two completely different situations? If you could have a 20% ROI every month, your bankroll would grow very steadily.. (100+(0.2*100)+(0.2*(100+(0.2*100))+.....) So I guess my question is: how often are ROI's "compounded"? Or does an ROI of 20% mean that on average, a player makes a 20% return on his investment every tournament? I would appreciate it if someone could clarify this stuff for me, Thanks, Dave 
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re: Poker & What is roi?
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If your player has played 20x $10 games then the total buyin is $200 (As Arjonius said, it doesn't matter that it is the same $10 being invested time after time) This figure has nothing to do with his bankroll. If his total winnings for these 20 games is $220 then his profit is $20 His ROI is  total profit/total buyins  $20/$200 = 10% If however, he had played 40 games for a total buyin of $400 ... and his total winnings were $420 then his profit would still be $20 but now his ROI is  $20/$400 = 5% The profit is the same but the ratio to investment is what we are measuring. 
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re: Poker & What is roi?
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If your "true" roi is 10%, that would mean over a what ever sample size it took to get to your "true" roi, you would need less bankroll than if your roi was 5% short term variance is greater the smaller your roi bad players have a higher risk of ruin because of their lower roi 
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ROI and variance just aren't linked in the way you seem to think they are. 
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this from this link
http://www.tournamentterminator.com/...anagementbrm/ Impact of ROI on Bankroll Management BRM is all about ensuring not going broke. The expected ROI of a player must therefore necessarily be positive; otherwise the player will sooner or later go bankrupt anyway. The higher the expected return on investment of a player is, the lower the probability of a total loss is. A player who achieves only 1% ROI in the long term must have a much bigger bankroll available as a player with 20% expected ROI. This should be clear: A mediocre player will more often have long periods of downswings than a professional poker player who usually crushes his competition. if you think this guy is wrong, i can find many more gl at the tables, t 