Originally Posted by dresturn2
use the bigstack to push around....such as raising with Ax or whatever rather than calling with these hands.....i would only call someone allin if i knew i had them beat....use the power to make them make decisions that are uncomfortable rather than calling when they want u to
Something one needs to consider though is... when we're raising w junk (A-rag) w a big stack, we need to look at the stack sizes of opponents yet to act... as we will often be pricing ourselves in for the call if there are shortstacks involved.
Alot of the replies above seem to fall into the category of .. 'wanting to put the answer in a box'.. all nice & neat.. black & white. I prefer Brann's reply as the situation is always that.. 'the situation'.. no two are quite the same.
As far as going with Harrington's theory of saying.. if you have 10to1 in chips over the shortstack.. the call is correct if you're closing out the action. I disagree with this. I think it's just a genearlized statement. Harrington is not God of MTT play.. his books were a great introduction to Tournament play and are a good foundation for players to work from.. but they are from the 'the shite' these days on MTT play... ."Beyond Harrinton" stuff has been out & in the works and on the tables for years now. First off.. more importantly to consider over whether or not you have SS outchipped 10to1 is.. what odds the pot is giving you... the benefit of decreasing or increasing your stack by the 10%,... how it will affect the play on the table once the SS is out (sometimes keeping him in can be far more beneficial,.. ie. giving you oppurtunities to squeeze, etc.,.. and if it's on or near bubble play, often the best thing to do is to keep the SS in (so many players feel it is their duty to call in an effort to KO the SS.... this is wrong imo.. for many reasons).
Rarely is anything every black & white on the poker tables. To give a decent answer as to whether or not it would be considered 'correct' to call a SS shove, one would need more details of the actual situation. Sure.. sometimes it is black & white.... but many times it isn't. Too hard to make a generalized statement for an answer to OP's question here.
Note about players who are shoving <10bb's.. saying that they've often given up??? Umm... yah.. 'wrong' imo.. by a longshot.