What is the point of Hyper Turbo SnG?

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When it comes to poker, a lot of things perplex me, but very few of them perplex me as to why this exists. (Other than Badugi.) One of them, however, are Hyper Turbo 1 table Sit and Go tournaments. I usually see them as satellites to other tournaments. The blinds go up every two minutes, and each player's starting stack is a great deal lower than normal tournaments.

What exactly is the point of this? I've griped elsewhere on this forum about the possibility of losing solely by doing nothing, and nowhere is this fear in more danger of becoming a reality than with such a format. I figure a tournament with the structure I described would have a quite hard time lasting longer than 10 minutes. The thing is though, the latest example of this that I noticed also had sign-ups for a normal turbo SnG with 5 minute blind levels and a normal-sized starting stack--and those SnGs were having a much harder time getting started than the hyper turbos! Can someone please explain to me just why this "poker lite" is a thing people actually seem to like?
 
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I played today some of those,its fastpaced action and i lost like 12 in a row than won 2 :)
You need special strategy for them and a lot of luck,there is one guy who goes from 150$ to sne by doing this sngs,so you can make money from them..
And its faster way for poker room to make profit (same as zoom rush twister etc)

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Can someone please explain to me just why this "poker lite" is a thing people actually seem to like?
Because people are different. Some prefer more action and don't mind that it comes with higher variance. Also, a given person can have different moods at different times, and thus only play them accordingly.
 
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Poker room wants fast finish to have many games in their room- fast profit.
Aside from it, other people wants fast pace action, maybe time constraint. People also wants to gamble with anything as seen in hyperturbo, less starting chips.
 
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Hyper turbos are appealing to a wide range of players. They are the game which imo have the most fish in at the moment and just out right action junkies or gamblers love the quick format.

The edges of course are small, but for a winning players at micros/small/low/medium stakes they can profit a decent amount from this format when you factor in the rakeback and the big errors fish make. At the highest stakes, there aren't many winners, at best most are breakeven but with their supernova elite benefits some breakeven players can rake in over $200k per year which is their best return than any other format they can find. There are of course a few group of players who can profit without rakeback and they are turning over $300k+ and the likes of someone like jorj95 - he earns a very healthy salary. I think last year, with rake back he earned just over $1million.
 
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Hyper turbos are appealing to a wide range of players. They are the game which imo have the most fish in at the moment and just out right action junkies or gamblers love the quick format.

The edges of course are small, but for a winning players at micros/small/low/medium stakes they can profit a decent amount from this format when you factor in the rakeback and the big errors fish make. At the highest stakes, there aren't many winners, at best most are breakeven but with their supernova elite benefits some breakeven players can rake in over $200k per year which is their best return than any other format they can find. There are of course a few group of players who can profit without rakeback and they are turning over $300k+ and the likes of someone like jorj95 - he earns a very healthy salary. I think last year, with rake back he earned just over $1million.

Well can say thats true about winning players beats fishes in this format because every hand can win,AA is not a big favorite here,cause ppl shove wider range of cards... Its more about gambling and luck than skill

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Well can say thats true about winning players beats fishes in this format because every hand can win,AA is not a big favorite here,cause ppl shove wider range of cards... Its more about gambling and luck than skill

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Of course every hand can win, every hand has equity pre flop.

lol, how is AA not a big favourite because people shove wider range? That makes no sense.


This is why these games are profitable as I've said before. People like you who think they are more about gambling and luck are the people who makes these games very profitable for a winning player.
 
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agree with you, actually as badugi i think hyper turboes with the structure you describe are not poker,

actually those turboes are very similar to the ¨Daily challenge allin shootout¨ based on luck and just that, but by the other hand if you like to gamble a while and refresh your mind from real poker then you have those turboes to sit and relax a moment while you see all the incredibles things happen
 
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Reminds me somewhat of the Kamikaze tourneys, you may as well be all in every hand. I never play hypers because I don't see them as a poker game. May as well play Rochambeau. The chances are about the same.
 
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Reminds me somewhat of the Kamikaze tourneys, you may as well be all in every hand. I never play hypers because I don't see them as a poker game. May as well play Rochambeau. The chances are about the same.

This. This is exactly how I feel about Hyper Turbo 1 tables...just better. But from what I'm gathering from everyone's posts here, my guess as to the answer of my question is that they attract a lot of people who are convinced poker is nearly all luck, and also people who think they can take advantage of the format to clean those people out--some of whom are right. In essence, attracting the sharks and the fish/donks at the same time. More than likely this answer is not entirely accurate, but it does manage to shut of the particular "wtf" alarm going off in my head associated with it--and I really don't think I can ask for more. Thank you so much, all of you. ^_^
 
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Of course every hand can win, every hand has equity pre flop.

lol, how is AA not a big favourite because people shove wider range? That makes no sense.


This is why these games are profitable as I've said before. People like you who think they are more about gambling and luck are the people who makes these games very profitable for a winning player.

well its not same as other mtt/sng/cash games... i played a lot of those hypers,and trust me i have see ppl throwing 84o 92 and similar hands and they just hope to hit 2 pairs etc...

in normal sng/mtt/cash if you got aces and make big raise preflop people will first think about calling and/or raising,but in hyper allins are all the time,i maybe see 20 hands that were played normal (raise,call,raise etc).

its shove fest where many people plays on luck (i must say i am speaking about low buyins)

but there are few people that are very good at those... jorj95 plays them all the time... i think its only format he enjoys lol
 
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More people prefer the faster versions of SNGs, particularly bad players. They like the constant action, and the better chance to win an individual game (even if they are losing more per hour, because losing $1 on average over say 10 hyper turbos is -$10 per hour, while losing $2 on average of regular games with 4 per hour is -$8 per hour... but they often prefer the hyper version instead bc it's only $1 loss per entry avg, meaning more chance to win an individual game).

This is very evident in both 6 max and heads up sit and gos. It's not like the poker room made people switch, everyone went from regular speed to turbo and then to hyper turbo in recent years as those faster formats were introduced.

Ironically, they used to have 10bb hyper turbo HUSNGs on Full Tilt, but they were not very popular (then they made them 25bb after feedback from players, and they became very popular).
 
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well its not same as other mtt/sng/cash games... i played a lot of those hypers,and trust me i have see ppl throwing 84o 92 and similar hands and they just hope to hit 2 pairs etc...

in normal sng/mtt/cash if you got aces and make big raise preflop people will first think about calling and/or raising,but in hyper allins are all the time,i maybe see 20 hands that were played normal (raise,call,raise etc).

its shove fest where many people plays on luck (i must say i am speaking about low buyins)

And why is this not favorable for a good player? It's high variance, but also highly profitable.
 
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I must also agree with you. I think they are very profitable for the poker rooms, but in essence its more gambling than anything else.
 
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Because everyone's stack is limited from the get-go, and blinds increase at a fast tempo, the game becomes a question of "shove or fold". Play position, position, position. Pick your spot and shove.
 
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And why is this not favorable for a good player? It's high variance, but also highly profitable.

I didnt say its not favorable did i? Due to high amount of gamblers here,you can abuse that and win

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Ive started to enjoy them,
think Im doing okay too
mostly sats on ftp then I cash out the tics I win

I just have much less time with the new twins, so it works for my schedule
 
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hyper turbo's

I played in a few of these and did all right ounce I came in with a strategy.To me ,my opinion,there great practice for the final table at a tourney,you should try a couple of the cheap ones.I didn't wait for position if I got a 60% starting hand it was an auto-shove.
 
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I didnt say its not favorable did i? Due to high amount of gamblers here,you can abuse that and win
You didn't explicitly say it's not favorable. However, your post does seem to suggest that players may want to avoid donkfests.
 
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Well thats what i do,i let them fight each other in early phase,play very tight

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I have played some of these. But I have seen it is very high variance. It's fast earning money, but you lose very fast also. It's depends very much on cheer luck or, of course unluck. So I will try to avoid them in the future.. :) Good luck on the tables!
 
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Posters ITT is the very reason that hyper turbos are so profitable.
 
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For me it makes no sense playing hyper turbo...
Its for people who can not wait and want to make quick money and this strategy does not work in poker.
 
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I think that playing hyper turbo u need some luck. There play a lot fish and variance is really high. Play wide range...
It's not for me. Crazy tournament where everybody go all-in ;P
 
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