This graph is only useful fro cash play and has no application for tourney play. I wish that PT 3 did not include it for tourneys at all as it's misleading and I've told their developers that. One must remember that PT and HEM were developed from cash mindsets initially way back when, and tournament application has slowly spun out of that.
Originally Posted by PurgatoryD
"Net Expected Won"? Sorry, I just can't seem to get my head around that one.
Net expectation here makes a ton of sense for cash game application and is useful for cash players. It looks at your EV in the hand at the moment the money went in. Cash games are all about ev and ev only, so they want to see a graph that shows you getting the money in good (and hence a positive net expectation)
Though, even for cash players this ignores the EV gained from folding people out when a shove is a bluff or semibluff and you get them to fold.
Originally Posted by WiZZiM
Not very. Most of them use some form of ICM, so it inherits all of ICM's shortcomings.
That graph has NO ICM In it at all.
I get a lot of interaction with the PT3 developers and have laid out at least a page long essay on what kinds of graphs tournament players need, and this certainly is not it. (I'm one of the people that tests their pre-release software so I see all of it before you guys and tend to give them a lot of input and guidance on how MTT/STT players see things.)
Until they completely revamp the tournament graph system, I'd recommend that no one ever analyze their STT/MTT play with this chart as it will bring you to the wrong conclusions. Often good shoves will be -EV if called- remember, shove ranges are calc'd by including the value of getting folds...
This thread should be locked. There's not much to debate here.