Originally Posted by MediaBLITZ
Not sure what it is that gives you that impression. Perhaps you are just trying to be funny?
1) First time I've ever asked anyone about stats.
2) For many players, poker is a continuous line of decisions based on statistics.
3) I am definiely not a math or stats guy - I feel it is an area of the game I need to get better in and was under the impression that these forums were partially in existence to meet that need for players interested in bettering themselves (without mock or ridicule). If you have empirical evidence that explains why these statistics are meaningless or a waste of time then please share.
4) If you are just being a smart ass then : ROTFLMFAO YOU ARE TOO FUNNY!!!!
Easy man, I was not mocking or ridiculing you. I was just saying that I've seen many players on this forum and elsewhere that get too "stat oriented" always looking to see if their stats match up with that magical perfect number. Each player plays differently and therefore will have different stats that suits their style and comfort zone. While it is good to know where you are at with your game, it is easy to cross the line and become too oriented on your stats.
If you want a serious answer, reviewing and tweaking your stats in certain areas is a good thing, but as Wizzim said, general stats usually will not give you an idea of leaks unless they are glaring you in the face. Filtering down certain spots and situations will help you pinpoint leaks far more then a general overview.
If I offended you, I apologize.
Originally Posted by Shufflin
Just in support of the OP, I find this all quite fascinating. I don't use extra software, but the idea that 60ish% folding on the flop is too high, is something maybe I should think about. How far off is it from the desired number? Are we looking for 50%, or less? Are there "perfect" stats out there that we should be considering striving toward?
I know it depends on the game, etc., but just the fact that people I am playing against are thinking about these kind of numbers kind of freaks me out. Of course, if I can get 'em on a B&M table, I would have to think I have the advantage... no?
Now I don't know if folding the flop 60% of the time is too high per-se. I just see it as a sign of playing a form of "fit or fold" and mayhaps not taking advantage of other factors such as stack size, position and your opponents tendencies. I say this because my fold to flop bet % is nearly as high (in SNG) and after thorough review I found I was leaking a lot of chips in marginal slots
because I was seeing too many flops in early-mid position with speculative cards. I have since cut down on that and have seen my ROI climb slightly.
If you are multi-tabling then I can see how this stat would be that high, as you are playing overall odds
rather than specific situations and using volume to make up for any small leaks. If you are only single tabling though, then one would have more of a handle on the situation and this stat could possibly be lower.
But again, each player has a style that works for them. So while there may be a "mathematically correct" way to play and model your stats after (I, personally, know of no such way, but am willing to hear one), this does not necessarily mean that this will be a good way for you.