What to do in this situation?

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i was watching duwan and hansen in a hand.
duwan had JJ and hansen had 1010.

stacks:
hansen 92,000
duwan 92,000+ (had him covered)

duwan bets 12,000
hansen raises to 32,000
duwan raises to 92,000

hansen sits for a long time considering what to do, i'm not even sure what happened i forget maybe i fell asleep.

but, considering hansen knew he was beat, or had a pretty good idea he was beat (which i think he would have to assume he was dominated), is it wise to call still, or just lose the 32,000.

and can someone give me a mathematical way to figure this out. hopefully there's a simple way to figure this out :D

thanks!

P.S. in fact i just found the same hand on youtube ~> YouTube- ‪Gus Hansen vs Tom Dwan on Poker after dark BOOM‬‎
 
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Aside from the outside factors of durrrr being on a rush, and having the image to be re-raising a wide range, in which Ali elaborates on in the comentary, I doubt Gus would paint himself into a comrner without already having considering the possibility of shipping the rest in.

I doubt a high level player like Gus hansen would 4 bet 1/3 of his stack against 3 other players without being fully prepared to put in the rest. I know I wouldn't.

Is putting the rest in when he figured he was beat a bad play? Maybe not. Against over's (racing) 10 10 is a favourite. Given durrrr's ability to make that sort of play with virtually ATC, including suited connectors, suited raggy aces, any A 10+ combination and any lower pp's, the 1010 is racing/domintaing most of that range. Only beaten by JJ+. There's more that he beats than what he's losing to, and combine that with having to call his last 60K into a 133K pot after putting 1/3 of it in already (also including 3K in dead money) , I think he made the right play. He just ended up being wrong and sucking out.

Still should have lost though. lol.
 
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I don't think he was playing the hand-he was playing the player. Dwan will raise/reraise with almost anything and folding 1010 is tough against a guy who might have 83o. I think it was just a matter of Dwan hitting a hand and that's one of the most dangerous things a guy like Dwan can do.
 
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Dwan looks pretty uncomfortable at 3:32
 
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I agree with previous posts about the players in question - both are known to make their moves with ATC. Looks like a cash game to me, so we can look at the pot odds quite easily: 60k to call a pot of 120k+ - Hansen is only behind to AA, KK, QQ.
 
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I agree with previous posts about the players in question - both are known to make their moves with ATC. Looks like a cash game to me, so we can look at the pot odds quite easily: 60k to call a pot of 120k+ - Hansen is only behind to AA, KK, QQ, JJ.

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I agree with lektrikguy, if it were a tighter player in the hand I think he would call. Considering how Durrr plays you have to play differently. And there are only 4 hands hes behind against pre flop. Hes got the money, I say ship it.
 
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Hansen needs to win about 45% of the time to make the call correct. Since Hansen had straddled that hand Durr's range is likely even wider than usual because Hansen's 3betting range is almost certainly wider. I'd say he's getting the odds he needs to make the call against Durr's likely range there.
 
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Hard to say what might necessarily be going on in their minds.
Gus perhaps has calculated his 3-bet size to make it 'appear as if' Dwan has fold equity with a 4bet ai... 'or'... maybe he actually has. Which does Dwan figure it is? Which does he figure he figures that he figures he figures it is? (in other words... who knows, lol).

My guess is that Hansen has ~41%eq (maybe 44%) with the TT here vs. a likely 4bet range by Dwan in this spot (but again.... who knows??).
 
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Dwan is the most feared player out there right now because of his range and ability to read the hand/player. He owns Gus! Pretty hard to get away from the hand once you get that much in the pot.
 
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