What Bothers Me: Too Often All-In in the Initial Phase In FreeRolls

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One or the other is also disturbing. I often take part in freeroll tournaments. Especially in the first 10 minutes very many players go all-in, no matter what they have on hand. This mostly takes me pleasure and fun. I play a lot of hands, even from time to time not so good hands (if the use is low). I find it pointless to go before the flop all-in, which is for me no more real poker (rather on good luck). How is your opinion about freeroll-players who simply go to the beginning all-in?
 
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One or the other is also disturbing. I often take part in freeroll tournaments. Especially in the first 10 minutes very many players go all-in, no matter what they have on hand. This mostly takes me pleasure and fun. I play a lot of hands, even from time to time not so good hands (if the use is low). I find it pointless to go before the flop all-in, which is for me no more real poker (rather on good luck). How is your opinion about freeroll-players who simply go to the beginning all-in?
Just fold.

It's that easy.

Who cares if players are jamming in. Get it in with a good hand or any hand you want and take a gamble. Or you can just fold.
 
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I always fold. I forgot the no in my statement. I would never complain when I do it myself. Excuse me for my mistake
 
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I always fold. I forgot the no in my statement. I would never complain when I do it myself. Excuse me for my mistake
Misread your post.

If you're folding, great. You don't need to double up at the start of a FR to do well, but if you have a good hand don't be afraid to take the risk.
 
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Mike Tyson was a specialist in boxing of a very very unique fighting style (Mayweather is known for being defensive but if he was ever in the weight class of a beast like Tyson, his defense would be his downfall)

You see, Tyson specialized in needing 0 defense, he exercised and had a diet that was stricly about being able to take more physical damage to his jaw and chest etc than most humans can take at semi-full force of a heavyweight boxer. He would tank shots, half-dodge them at best and just time two or three king kong power shots and either the opponent ended up with cracked bones, knocked out cold or if they were really that agile and tough that he failed to impact them then finally they could beat him but when his winrate was 86.3% after 58 fights and 76% of his overall fights (or 88% of his wins) were by out-cold knockout, it is clear that in boxing, like poker, you will find that idiots can be a challenge if they play their style well enough and abuse your fear of them.

You see, Tyson was actually BEST against defensive boxers he was often one of only two out of fourty or so opponents to defeat extremely defensive strategic boxers. They would win round one, round two, round three outboxing him by 60 points sometimes and he'd just sway side to side tanking the shots letting them hit nothing vital and then in round four BAM, oh they aren't out? BAM BAM BAM... They are seeing stars and feel like a hammer has smashed open their eye socket / cheekbone / chin who really cares where he hit. One guy he punched in the ribs so hard that he actually died from the fight in hospital, the rib actually punctured his heart that's how efficient a raw puncher Tyson was.

You will often be against people who are so willing to let you outsmart them that they dedicate themselves to just play low risk games and all-in. They want to make it so that if they do win, they win big. If not they don't care. You can't expect to be a mayweather when the heavyweight bigstacks can smash you all in one shot and are happy to risk you hitting back harder if you dare.

Tyson is in fact a good example of what Conor McGregor tried to prove but failed to. Mayweather believes that boxing and most things in life are chess; complete information scenarios that you have the power to control. This is because he remains at a weight class where his opponents can't break his arm and shockwave into his chest to literally rattle them from one shot so hard you can hear the strain of the cartilage holding them in place. Heavyweight is a totally different game to the baby weight Mayweather kept at and you can't be defensive against a true heavyweight beast like Tyson because they simply don't care how smart you fight, they will go all-in when they feel like it and will risk running out of energy in a five hit massacre combo that either works or tires them otu too much to win the remainder of the fight most likely.

You cannot complain that they are so aggressive, you can only complain that you don't know how to dance around the ring and build the raw muscle and tactics of arm position so they punxh yoru angled elbow instea dof your ribs ((one opponetn of Tyson made his left wrist severley hurt the whole fight just by reversing the shockwav eof hone of his hits with his elbow, it's not obvious but I remember seeing is and realizing that was why Tyson lost it, he couldn't finish the combo as he realized he'd break his wrist so he had to fight purely right handed the whole fight, he's right handed but I mean purely only hitting with is right hand the coutnermove really sprained his left wrist).

You need to time your risk and willing lose your KK to their A10. So what if they outdraw you? So what if you are knocked out? You want to GET TO TOP LEVEL OF freerolls? Then play hard. You don't just wake up and deserve 19 dollars of a cardschat freeroll or 5 dollars of a typical pokerstars freeroll. You deserve nothing if you're a freeroll scrounger, you are privileged to even be able to gain money by having fun and risking nothing financially.

Who are you to complain? Who is your opponent to worry about your approval of thier playstyle? You probably in many situations in life, whether school work or home have felt wronged or unfairly burdened by the world. I know your mentality because I had it too. It is unfair you are right. It is f***ing unfair that the idiots can make such a playstyle profit them because they can overall outwin their losses (which in this case is $0.00) but it's also unfair that there are starving children out there who would literally study a solid 10 hours a day to be able to play good poker at freerolls to have enough money to not starve. You are f***ing privileged to have internet access let alone not be in a Sharia nation that outlaws poker altogether let alone a poor scavenging beggar in the slums of some capitalist corrupt nation of which there are many in Africa and South America and a few in Asia too (india, Bangladesh, China, South Korea etc oh yes trust me they have poverty that would make you cry) Do what you want but don't come crying to me about how 'wrong it is'. You are privileged to not be dead right now for starters, of all the sperm that hit the egg it was the one to make YOU. You just don't get it do you? You are already so lucky, so how can you cry so much because someone else had some luck instead of you for a freeroll?

PRIORITIES DUDE, THINK OF THE DAMN PRIORITIES BEFORE YOU COME HERE CRYING I TELL YOU!
 
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If you have a bad hand, or you are very afraid for your chips, that is an excellent FOLD button
 
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One or the other is also disturbing. I often take part in freeroll tournaments. Especially in the first 10 minutes very many players go all-in, no matter what they have on hand. This mostly takes me pleasure and fun. I play a lot of hands, even from time to time not so good hands (if the use is low). I find it pointless to go before the flop all-in, which is for me no more real poker (rather on good luck). How is your opinion about freeroll-players who simply go to the beginning all-in?

Hi. Yeah it's a recipe for frustration if you're entering a freeroll wanting to play 'real' poker and you run in to a bunch of people who don't really care if they go out early. You just have to expect it in most freerolls though, especially the big ones, no reason to let it get to you.

This is for sure one of the nice things about the cardschat freeroll, generally (unless the password leaks out) the majority of players are playing legit from the start.
 
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Hi. Yeah it's a recipe for frustration if you're entering a freeroll wanting to play 'real' poker and you run in to a bunch of people who don't really care if they go out early. You just have to expect it in most freerolls though, especially the big ones, no reason to let it get to you.
...Out of curiosity, why does this bother you? I mean, you are playing "real" poker, even if others are playing differently than you would like. How does players jamming and busting early effect your long term game overall? Having to make some folds in the early stages is nothing compared to the number hands you'll be folding total as the game progresses.

This is for sure one of the nice things about the cardschat freeroll, generally (unless the password leaks out) the majority of players are playing legit from the start.
...Shoving from the start is still legit. Again, you might not agree with it, but it's still legit.
above.
 
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... I find it pointless to go before the flop all-in, which is for me no more real poker (rather on good luck)...
I understand and empathize with you but in any kind of gambling, luck will always be a factor regardless of how “skilled” you become at that game. As you become more skilled, you simply reduce the luck portion but will never be able to completely eliminate it. With good bankroll management you can always bounce back from your inevitable bad luck runs.
 
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I don't like when players often all-in a lot to sit in an empty is no fun
 
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...You cannot complain that they are so aggressive, you can only complain that you don't know how to dance around the ring and build the raw muscle and tactics ...
...You need to time your risk and willing lose your KK to their A10. So what if they outdraw you? So what if you are knocked out?
Rational Madman has made very good points quoted above. You can never control what others will do in any given situation so focus on what you can control which is your own actions based on informed decisions. Getting upset about losing freerolls is a little ridiculous so just enjoy the game!
 
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...Out of curiosity, why does this bother you? I mean, you are playing "real" poker, even if others are playing differently than you would like. How does players jamming and busting early effect your long term game overall? Having to make some folds in the early stages is nothing compared to the number hands you'll be folding total as the game progresses. .

I don't know if it bothers me per se, it's probably more of a preference thing, it just takes a lot out of the game (all post-flop decision making) for a period of time and can skew early stack sizes pretty dramatically. You're right, unless something unlucky happens early it has little impact on the long term game.

......Shoving from the start is still legit. Again, you might not agree with it, but it's still legit..

Yeah I worded that poorly, maybe playing 'standard' from the start would have been a better way to put it.
 
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just the nature of freerolls. with not having a buyin, some players put less effort into making correct plays.
 
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To be honest, it's a shame to fold good hands to make a pass in money and often the hand that throws is the best hand
 
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Ofcourse on freerolls alot of ppl usually just doing all in in first minutes with thoughts like "I will double up early or frack it, its just a freeroll" :)
 
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To begin, forget what you learned about SnG or MTT, at least at the beginning, because Freeroll did not spend anything, so nobody loses anything if it is eliminated. That's why this type of tournament has more crazy than any other and the beginning becomes a real lottery
the beginning of this tournament is crazy, very crazy playing anyway and the worst, winning with 72o of AA. So folding pair of AA is better than trying to win in luck forget the math probability because the tournament has started now and is not worth the riskDo not find the end of the world, fold a good hand, stay alive, analyze your opponents, will realize that soon the same ones that were sending allinn, have already been eliminated, usually this happens in the first hour of the game, so relax and do not let these attitudes get you out of focus, good luck
Your strategy should be the same with freeroll games, and tournaments paid, many say that freeroll you did not pay anything to enter, but here is the difference, if it did not cost you anything, you should try your best to get to ITM, then your profit will be liquid and certain, when playing freerolls, believe that you are playing a good game, and that you have spent a lot to enter, you will realize that it will play totally different
The actions of your opponents do not matter, what really matters is how you will manage your game
 
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In the initial stage to go to Olin, but with a very good pocket pair.
 
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I think it's the nature of the beast. A lot of freeroll players want to catch lightning in a bottle. Just use it as an opportunity to wait until you get a monster pocket pair and take his/her chips.
 
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It's a freeroll.

Some people in those want to double/triple/quadruple up early or just get out and not waste their time grinding in a freeroll. That's why they do it. They're free and a new one starts all the time.
 
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I just lost with KK in the hands, the villain bet everything pre-flop with 88, I paid the bet, the Flop turned 8, I lost one more time. I have to learn, I can not pay more than 33BB preflop holding AA pair if I have a reasonably good amount of chips. I can only go All-in with AA, KK, QQ if I have a few chips.
 
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I just lost with KK in the hands, the villain bet everything pre-flop with 88, I paid the bet, the Flop turned 8, I lost one more time. I have to learn, I can not pay more than 33BB preflop holding AA pair if I have a reasonably good amount of chips. I can only go All-in with AA, KK, QQ if I have a few chips.
This is result oriented thinking.

You got it in good and lost. It happens, but it doesn't mean it was incorrect.
 
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Thanks for the advice, but I always lose when I play this way against the villain. I know it's a correct play, "long run." I'd rather bet everything against players who have few chips.
 
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All Bank rate at First to double, and then fold against raises and all against small stacks and you in prizes!!!!!!!!!
 
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It is a freeroll - you have risked nothing to play and neither has anyone else on your table. Don't play as if you need to win - freerolls are the last place you want to waste negative thoughts and bad beat energy.

You just can't take them seriously.
 
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