Went from super winning to busto in a day. Tilt. Will taking a break do anything?

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So I started a new account on carbon a little over a month ago, I managed my BR to 50+ MTT buy in (MTT's only) and was doing pretty great, you can look up my account on sharkscope (Maythefoldbewithyou). I started with $50 and my highest was +$830.

Then I felt like playing a game that was too high for my BR, I said just one time wont hurt ($30+3 buy in), my biggest vice was joining super late. After having AKs busted (all in 6bb pf called by 86s big stack) and got busted. Then rejoining a countless number of times, and not making anything happen. Realized how low I got, so I got a little tilty, and then busto.

Normally I'm used to joining games super late (5-12 BB at BI), but they would be around my buy in level, and I could take the hit. I had everything under control when I could take the hits until a FT or a deep run. and my ITM% beforehand was pretty good (21%). I just figured I would hit at some point, but didn't that day.

I told myself I would take a break from poker, somewhere around 3-6 months. I am a student about to start a part time job, and would like to start again with a substantially larger BR so I do not have to play the "cheeseburger stakes"-(as said by deucescracked) again. In addition to that I would like to use this time to remind myself to manage my BR properly and to not let slipping up "tilt" me.

So now on to the question.
Would taking a break that long affect my play terribly? If so-for any of you who have taken a break- how long does it take to get back into the swing of things? Anyone else with a similar dilemma out there? I would really appreciate hearing your stories.
 
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Don't play outside of your BR, BRM is there for a reason! If you continuue to play games that is too big for your BR you will end up a losing player and no breaks from poker will help you to start winning at poker if you don't take BRM into account.

I am afraid you will need to start from the beginning, do exactly what you did to get your BR up to +$830 and carry on from there and stay in your BR!!

GL @ the tables and GL with your studies :)
 
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I think an often overlooked correlation in stats when gauging MTT results is your ITM %.
As top heavy as MTTs are designed to be you don't need a high ITM to be extremely profitable - mine is generally around 15% yet have been profitable in MTTs since 2006 online. (And as low as 12% for months on end)
Playing for the win in the right situations is crucial and snowballs; get a large stack and know how to play it you are going to have a high FT % relative to your ITM %.
There are lots of players who cash around 20% and are not profitable long run but break even or close and that's including rakeback.

Obviously BRM is crucial you need to be able to execute enough iterations across your # of buyins to hit something.

Breaks can help but studying your game is much more important; low stakes to small stakes the mistakes you make are valuable to analyze. More important that others play.

GL and keep at it, practice doesnt make perfect. Perfect practice does.
Keep second guessing your decisions and playing with different lines and dont allow your hubris to get in the way.
The rest is easy.
 
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Not sure what is up with the super late reg. strategy? Why would you choose to take this approach? (I can see occassionally... but I get the impression this was a pretty common approach... but maybe I'm totally wrong??). ie. win a couple flips after late reg. & get ITM ??

I find I can feel the difference with one week away from the tables (albeit a very small difference). It's difficult to say how rusty you will feel with a break because I have no clue in regards to your thought processes, etc.
 
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After a losing session or two, I always try to take a break. I'll basically do anything to take my mind off losing. Physical activity helps get my mind right again otherwise I might tilt and blow two thirds of a bankroll in a day. When in doubt, get outside in fresh air and go for a run, bike ride, whatever...
 
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Not sure what is up with the super late reg. strategy? Why would you choose to take this approach? (I can see occassionally... but I get the impression this was a pretty common approach... but maybe I'm totally wrong??). ie. win a couple flips after late reg. & get ITM ??

I find I can feel the difference with one week away from the tables (albeit a very small difference). It's difficult to say how rusty you will feel with a break because I have no clue in regards to your thought processes, etc.


The late reg was for tournaments below my normal BI. lets say my BR is $750, and my normal BI is around $10.. I would late reg to a $1, $2 or $5 because getting a FT would still affect my BR in a big way, and there is not very big of a risk.It is only when I do this in a stakes that are way too high for me that I mess up.

I noticed I had been able to make deep runs pretty often in $1-$10 BI, I was not able to in the $30+.

I will take your consideration as well as everyone else who replied on reducing my late reg numbers substantially when I come back to poker, when I am able.


On another note, even when I had been on losing sessions, I would never tilt or anything, I had my head in the game throughout. I guess I was just tired, or something was off that day. It's weird, really. I felt like there was no way to mess up if I had kept that up, but it only takes a day of bad judgement to ruin everything.
That is what I am trying to keep in mind for my next attempt.
 
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Late registration usually require more luck than skill IMO.You got to win flip even with marginal hand cause the blind were already too high.
 
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Really BRM? Now thats something thats over rated crap unless you are trying to keep a roll for unlimited time to play indefinitely. Yup put a wish in one hand and a pile a crap in the other what ya got? Excuse me for my outburst here let me try to explain myself (i hope i will). What was your goal to begin with? What end result are you looking for? I feel this talk about brm has been overplayed by ppl that has something to gain from this like maybe poker sites gaining interest from money kept on there sites for long periods of time now when has a site paid interest to you for using them like a bank. i have never went to a casino bought in to a game and walked away and told them to keep my winnings on their books. For myself i do have end results in my gameplay i hit that goal i yank that money out fast and turn around and make another deposit and go for it again. yup and utilize the bonus tool that sites give. One could say thats interest that is given on money on the books short term at the most. Proper money management is the key not proper brm. I myself im a poker hobbyist but still have a end goal to my play not to have one is to have a leak in game theory i feel. Oh man i could go on and on and im sure that a whole bunch of people dont agree with me but i wrote this hastily and to lay it out properly would take pages with a lot of reference which i dont have time and patience to do it. Heres another thought when has a poker site ever had you fill out a beneficiary statement if you pass away i wonder why hmmm just another one to ponder.

Wow to say this it shows im a grouchy old fart lmao thats been beat up to many times by Ace Queen when holding Ace King. gl gl on the tables folks
 
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Late registration usually require more luck than skill IMO.You got to win flip even with marginal hand cause the blind were already too high.

Ya, late regis is way -EV.
If you have the discipline set a time frame and max number for late registration and number of re-entries.
I at least have been leaking around 10% by over re-entries etc.

Lol and to zoney, I do and don't agree.
BRM is just the endeavor to counter variance as you likely know.
People do use it as an excuse for being losing players; lots of them.
I feel it was and is pushed so hard because of the access to volume and of tournaments that not only are shorter stacked but you have absolute access to volume and high buyins online and no one to judge you or etc.
But if you plan on grinding in any sort of amateur to pro semblance then you absolutely MUST use it.
 
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Taking a break will impact your play for sure, depending on how long it is.

Taking a few weeks/month off won't really do much (in terms of making you a fish) but itll be beneficial to cool down.

Its what I did.


When you take a few months off your game 6 or so (I have done in the past) when I came back I felt a bit rusty but it took only 1-2 weeks to feel comfortable again.
 
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no need to to play above your BR if you are a winning player no need to risk half your Br if you know that you could win this money without the risk
 
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I think you really need to address the very late registration strategy, joining at such high blinds you can't play good poker, you're just trying your luck.
 
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Really BRM? Now thats something thats over rated crap unless you are trying to keep a roll for unlimited time to play indefinitely. Yup put a wish in one hand and a pile a crap in the other what ya got? Excuse me for my outburst here let me try to explain myself (i hope i will). What was your goal to begin with? What end result are you looking for? I feel this talk about brm has been overplayed by ppl that has something to gain from this like maybe poker sites gaining interest from money kept on there sites for long periods of time now when has a site paid interest to you for using them like a bank. i have never went to a casino bought in to a game and walked away and told them to keep my winnings on their books. For myself i do have end results in my gameplay i hit that goal i yank that money out fast and turn around and make another deposit and go for it again. yup and utilize the bonus tool that sites give. One could say thats interest that is given on money on the books short term at the most. Proper money management is the key not proper brm. I myself im a poker hobbyist but still have a end goal to my play not to have one is to have a leak in game theory i feel. Oh man i could go on and on and im sure that a whole bunch of people dont agree with me but i wrote this hastily and to lay it out properly would take pages with a lot of reference which i dont have time and patience to do it. Heres another thought when has a poker site ever had you fill out a beneficiary statement if you pass away i wonder why hmmm just another one to ponder.

Wow to say this it shows im a grouchy old fart lmao thats been beat up to many times by Ace Queen when holding Ace King. gl gl on the tables folks

BRM is not like having a bank account and I am sure no-one would go in to a casino and ask them to keep their winning's till they return.

BRM is a terminolgy in poker to help you minimise your loses when you are running bad. A lot of players that don't use a BRM strategy end up losing money. They get ****y when they are on a winning streak so they up the BI and could get lucky and carry on with their winning streak, but in the long run they will end up losing a chunk of their BR when they start to see bad beats and variance starts to rear its ugly head and that's when they start tilting and throw more BI's hoping to get their money back and go broke.

There are players out that use BRM correctly and they don't leave their winnings on the poker site, they withdraw whatever they wish and carry on with the BRM that got them into their winning ways.

BRM is important if you wish to be a constant winning player.
 
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I think it is always good to take a break when things aren't going so great. It allows you to recalibrate and come back with a fresh mindset. good luck!
 
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What you need to learn is proper bankroll manegment, a break of a few days is not bad at all, but unless you are trying to decided if you are ever going to play again you dont need to take months and months off to cool down, only play in your price range at all times improper BRM is what breaks alot of great players.

BRM dosent mean to keep your money on the sites, I pull my money out just as fast as you arizoney, It means keeping money to gamble with, you dont have to keep it on the site pull it out and stash that cash till you want to gamble again and the pull it out and play.
 
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well, if you got on tilt, that's your mental issue, and you will have to work on it.
No matter how long/short brake you take, if you don't realize your weakness, you will get again on tilt and hit catch 22, and chase your own tail for some time until you realize what (that) is your weakness and work on it.
If you feel that game is to high for your BR, then probably is, and if you don't pay attention to good BR management, you will get busted and tilt again.

Just my $.02

Wish you good luck

So I started a new account on carbon a little over a month ago, I managed my BR to 50+ MTT buy in (MTT's only) and was doing pretty great, you can look up my account on sharkscope (Maythefoldbewithyou). I started with $50 and my highest was +$830.

Then I felt like playing a game that was too high for my BR, I said just one time wont hurt ($30+3 buy in), my biggest vice was joining super late. After having AKs busted (all in 6bb pf called by 86s big stack) and got busted. Then rejoining a countless number of times, and not making anything happen. Realized how low I got, so I got a little tilty, and then busto.

Normally I'm used to joining games super late (5-12 BB at BI), but they would be around my buy in level, and I could take the hit. I had everything under control when I could take the hits until a FT or a deep run. and my ITM% beforehand was pretty good (21%). I just figured I would hit at some point, but didn't that day.

I told myself I would take a break from poker, somewhere around 3-6 months. I am a student about to start a part time job, and would like to start again with a substantially larger BR so I do not have to play the "cheeseburger stakes"-(as said by deucescracked) again. In addition to that I would like to use this time to remind myself to manage my BR properly and to not let slipping up "tilt" me.

So now on to the question.
Would taking a break that long affect my play terribly? If so-for any of you who have taken a break- how long does it take to get back into the swing of things? Anyone else with a similar dilemma out there? I would really appreciate hearing your stories.
 
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I wouldn't take that long

Breaks can be good for a little while but if taken for too long can be bad for your game overall. I say this because you can lose the nuances and some skill if you are dormant for a while. My advice is take a one to two week break and don't even think about poker then hit the tables hard and enjoy. That much time should be plenty if not I would not stay away for longer than a month. I took a few years off and it has really hurt my game I am only recently back to about (in my opinion) 25% of the player I used to be. Worst mistake I ever made I wish I could take it back but I can't all I can do is warn you and hope it helps. I will keep grinding until I am back where I was.
 
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