WCOOP Sunday Million, bluffing with blocker isn't good enough?

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Hola! I satellited in this one. My normal avg bin is ~5$.

The CO was solid guy (18/15 stats) he had been opening LP a lot.
The SB guy was tightish. I folded to his 3bet about 3 orbits ago.

I had a tight image in this table, although the table saw me raise from BB with K4o vs SB limper (we went to showdown)


poker stars, $215 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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''View Hand'' on 2+2 above on the right. Use the replayer if you want to be more visual :D ^

So was my play too optimistic on river? I should really just fold on the flop, BUT I felt that my stab looked weak and he made the CR big because of that.
So I float, I think he is only repping 22 and 77 here. So I thought I'll call because he could have any FD or a total bluff/overs.

I like his small size on the turn. I call now because of the good odds, I have NFD, 2nd pair top kicker, plus A is an overcard. Is flop call bad, turn standard?

I decided to shove the river when checked to, I read he doesn't have a flush.
I even took 12 seconds before doing that so it should look less like a crazy bluff. His hand surely looks like 77/22 there but MAYBE I could still make him fold those, I think my story of having a flush looks believable.
Maybe I was too happy about the Ad blocker. I also thougt the pair of eights blocks something...well he would never have set of eights there.

And could I appear stronger betting exactly half pot? leaving 2k behind.
Or like 7k?

One more point: Is it stupid to bluff like 2 hours into Sunday Million like this vs okay player when there's money to be won with easier ways from the fish?

Help me with this I'm still an amateur thanks :D
 
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I'm also a micro stakes player, if I had won a ticket into Sunday millions by satellite and decided to play, I would have played super tight.
You played this hand like you were playing in a micro tourney, the only difference being is that most players at this level actually know how to play poker.
I would have folded pre-flop.
As for the way it played out, I'm folding to the check raise on the flop as it usually indicates a set.

If I had won the ticket I would have most likely took the T$.
 
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In a game like this, it is ok to fold a bluff gone bad.
 
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Okay thank you for answering you two. Even tho not really in depht answers.

Anyway I don't agree with your ideas. I'm an okay player, this was the only crazy move I made in this table.
I'm not afraid of the bigger buyin, I've played 550euro live events, so I'm not going to NIT around, it's just more profitable to play LAG/TAG.

I would like to hear from more players so, if you read all the way here please reply :)

BTW villain had 77.
 
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Hola! I satellited in this one. My normal avg bin is ~5$.

The CO was solid guy (18/15 stats) he had been opening LP a lot.
The SB guy was tightish. I folded to his 3bet about 3 orbits ago.

I had a tight image in this table, although the table saw me raise from BB with K4o vs SB limper (we went to showdown)


Poker Stars, $215 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37425918

''View Hand'' on 2+2 above on the right. Use the replayer if you want to be more visual :D ^

So was my play too optimistic on river? I should really just fold on the flop, BUT I felt that my stab looked weak and he made the CR big because of that.
So I float, I think he is only repping 22 and 77 here. So I thought I'll call because he could have any FD or a total bluff/overs.

I like his small size on the turn. I call now because of the good odds, I have NFD, 2nd pair top kicker, plus A is an overcard. Is flop call bad, turn standard?

I decided to shove the river when checked to, I read he doesn't have a flush.
I even took 12 seconds before doing that so it should look less like a crazy bluff. His hand surely looks like 77/22 there but MAYBE I could still make him fold those, I think my story of having a flush looks believable.
Maybe I was too happy about the Ad blocker. I also thougt the pair of eights blocks something...well he would never have set of eights there.

And could I appear stronger betting exactly half pot? leaving 2k behind.
Or like 7k?

One more point: Is it stupid to bluff like 2 hours into Sunday Million like this vs okay player when there's money to be won with easier ways from the fish?

Help me with this I'm still an amateur thanks :D

very bad in your game was originally, if an opponent who raises often, especially within the position you have to put him 3 bet pre-flop, u give good pot odds to other opponents to go to the bank, if so and went 3m to the bank the bluff is stuped especially if SB tight player you rarely see that there is something worse than the JQs, but he hardly throw this hand on this board, so that your bluff was blunt ... :)
 
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No in depth analysis needed. No math necessary here!

You got C/R and yet you insisted. It was a bluff gone bad and you married your ploy. It failed. Get over it.

That was a ring ploy in a tourney. It ignored the #1 tourney ploy of staying alive!

You can not justify busting yourself out of a tourney!

Sorry about sounding harsh to a new guy, but you seem to still be married to that ploy! You need a spanking and you refused to spank yourself after that fact, believing you were right to do what you did. Well, you weren't!
 
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This is not a hand to be flatting in this spot pre-flop. If you've got a tight image and the CO is opening liberally post flop then use your image and your blocker to 3b in this spot.
Anyway, yes, using your blockers here is generally a good idea and props to you for recognising one of the good parts to a solid bluff, however, unless this player was overly aggressive and had a high check/raise tendency, this hand would do better being folded on the flop, or as I said pre-flop unless you want to 3b it.
 
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as a micro stakes player playing in a high buy in event you have to be thinking that they have a pretty good read on you aswell. that wouldn't be a hard call for them to make when you jam on the river like that as he could beat you with 10s queens or an over pair. he could also have a made flush already and 9J makes a straight also. if its checked to you on the river and all you have is the 3rd highest pair and a missed flush might as well check it back and live to fight on in my opinion.
 
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as a micro stakes player playing in a high buy in event you have to be thinking that they have a pretty good read on you aswell. that wouldn't be a hard call for them to make when you jam on the river like that as he could beat you with 10s queens or an over pair. he could also have a made flush already and 9J makes a straight also. if its checked to you on the river and all you have is the 3rd highest pair and a missed flush might as well check it back and live to fight on in my opinion.

He wasn't jamming 3rd pair for value, he was turning it into a bluff by representing the flush with the nut flush blocker.
 
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Thanks for more answers guys!
I hope i didn't sound too much like it was a good play for me. It was for sure not a winning play. :(

The most important thing i learnt from this is to look for better spots and be patient.

This is a 3-bet or fold. And maybe only a fold because it's not suited. A5s would be better for example.

I didn't play my A-game there. but i've learnt a lot during this month.
 
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