Vote on what is to be discussed this week. Tourney edition.

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  • ICM

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • Limping vs Raising

    Votes: 11 31.4%
  • Late stage play

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • Playing like a maniac

    Votes: 9 25.7%

  • Total voters
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Topics to be voted on this week.

1) ICM.

2) Limping vs raising in early tournament play.

3) Late stage tourney play. What we are looking to achieve.

4) Playing like a maniac.

Remember to continue suggesting more topics for later discussions. Poll closes on the 5th.
 
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La la la, bump, la la la
 
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i say start with a basic one limping vs raising
 
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Anybody willing to volunteer to start and keep the thread on track and turning over? you do not necessarily need to write a 5000 word strat post but it would be nice to have a few people on board making everything be as smooth as possible.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Voted playing like a maniac seeing as from a purely selfish perspective it's the thing there I have least idea about, me being the giant nit that I clearly am.

I'd be happy to start a thread if necessary but (a) pifan beat me and (b) I would have thought you'd want to do it. :p
 
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I'll write everything you need to know about limping vs. raising: Don't limp.

K, now that's taken care of.

The general public is generally ignorant about how to correctly play poker. Therefore letting them decide what they need to learn about poker is a bad idea.
 
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I'll write everything you need to know about limping vs. raising: Don't limp.

K, now that's taken care of.

The general public is generally ignorant about how to correctly play poker. Therefore letting them decide what they need to learn about poker is a bad idea.

That suggestion was made in regards to low blind levels of sng's - and sng coaches, etc beg to differ with you. :p

So it should be a valid point of discussion. I don't claim to know everything about playing poker but I am working hard at learning. This is something that I see conflicting advice on from reliable sources so thought it might be a good topic for discussion among players who are learning here.

If these threads need be restricted to intermediate and advanced strategy - then scrap this suggestion. I have several books now I can research rather than discussing it here. And I bet at least 1 of them if not more or all will disagree with you that it is never okay to limp in this situation. (the limping vs raising in low blind sng play).

But hey - C9 and Dorkus say never limp in the low blinds of any sng from any position in any situation. So guess that is sorted. (for them at least lol)
 
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revised version - don't openlimp.
 
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On a serious note - Dorkus pick a topic and start a thread. I honestly don't want this to bomb because the topics chosen are too elementary for those that might otherwise contribute. :)
 
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Late stage play for me. Looks like it's not the most popular one but where I'd like to improve on.
 
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Honestly, I think the most beneficial topic for tournament players would be about ICM and how tournament considerations change your decision making. It can be an advanced topic, but it provides rationale for a lot of the very most basic strategies that are used in SnG play. I think it'd provide something for advanced players and beginners to think about.

There aren't that many situations where limping is a better play than raising in a tournament. However, there are tons of situations where tournament considerations (like pay out structure, diminishing value of chips) will really affect how you should be thinking about your play.
 
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I chose limping vs raising. I am trying so hard not to be a limper & have been a much better player by raising instead. I have evolved into a really tight player for the most part lately, but still see the advantages of limping upon certain occasions. This should be a very interesting topic for discussion!:)
 
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I have found that, I used to only limp regardless of my hand or position. Through the knowledge I have aquired here and by playing in games I have now found that, in certain situations, you need to decide which is appropriate, limping or raising. In position, I will raise with any hand, so long as there are no callers before me. This was a new concept for me and very effective in taking down pots that I formally would have folded.
Knowledge is grand

I mentally rank the hands which are dealt to me 1 thru 10. If I have a top three hand I will raise, this in effect will, hopefully, get rid of the people with marginal hands that may catch something. When someone calls me I use that information to determine that one's range of hands. This information is accumalated thoughout the tourney or game.

If I have a hand that I feel is worth seeing a flop, albeit cheaply, I will limp in, bearing in mind that , depending who I am playing against, I may get raised and what I will do. Certain times against certain players I will limp in knowing that they will raise and thereby disguising my hand.

There are so many variables pertaining to this topic that it could take pages and pages to explain all the intricacies of limping vs. raising. You must basically use a raise to your best advantage for the situation.
 
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I recommend late play to be disscussed becaus emany players seem to struggle when they get their as they wouldn't be able to change gears form the time before bubbling the money, bubbling the final table, playing it long handed at the final table, also the short handed form, 3/4 handed and heads up. Especially heads up for some.
 
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I like late play. Now is this considered bubble, ITM or deep ITM? Finishing ITM is ok, but what are your options when you go card dead or you're facing raises
with decent but not real strong cards AND you're getting short stacked. I know it's "pick 2 and go", but what about some possible thought processes from different positions?
 
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