Which to use in 9man STT....cEV or $EV

Z

zgaiba23

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 23, 2013
Total posts
10
Chips
0
Hello everyone, I tried doing a search for this answer as well as looking in the stickies. In a 9man STT are you suppose to base your play on cEV solutions or $EV solutions? I know with MTT's you base your play on cEV until you near the final table, then switch over to $EV. But with STT do you go with $EV from the start or once you reach the money....final 3 or 4 players? Thanks for any advice and help!
 
dealio96

dealio96

The LAG Monkeys
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 3, 2013
Total posts
7,960
Awards
5
Chips
0
This thread should be of good use to you. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/cev-ev-mtt-tournaments-189563/ I thought it was called ICM.


In poker, the Independent Chip Model (ICM) is a mathematical model used to calculate a player's overall equity in a tournament. The model uses stack sizes alone to determine how often a player will finish in each position (1st, 2nd, etc.). A player's probability of finishing in each position is then multiplied by the prize amount for that position and those numbers are added together to determine the player's overall equity.


Simply put, ICM is a way of representing your equity in a tournament based on the remaining stack sizes and the payout structure. Essentially, it calculates what your chips are worth in a dollar value based on how your stack and the payouts would influence your finish on average. In practice, ICM calculations will allow you to to compare the amount risked by making a specific play to the potential reward (should it work successfully).

The term ICM is often misunderstood to mean a simulator which helps a player make decisions in a tournament. Such simulators often make use of the Independent Chip Model but are not strictly speaking ICM calculators. A true ICM calculator will have the chip counts of all players as input and each players equity as output.

The ICM can be applied to answer specific questions, such as:

What range of hands can I move all in with, considering the action so far and the stack sizes of the other players still in the hand?
What range of hands can I call another player's all in with, and should I just call or move all in over the top, considering all the stacks still in the hand?
If we are discussing a deal, how much money should each player get?
 
Last edited:
XXPXXP

XXPXXP

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 7, 2012
Total posts
5,511
Awards
2
Chips
0
$EV
think that C EV = chip ev
if in sit n go , you take 1st
you gain all chips but you did not take all the money.
therefore $EV in sit n go.
 
W

WiZZiM

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 28, 2009
Total posts
5,008
Chips
0
yes cEV is chip expected value. Used for things like 180 man sng or MTT until you reach the final table where the payout jumps matter a lot more, then you switch back to $EV. There is a ton of info out there, but books like collin moshmans will help you understand things in the area.
 
Top