Two Pair - How would you play this??

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Third hand from my "How would you play it" series.

1st hand:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-would-you-play-it-386787/

2nd hand:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/would-you-play-any-differently-386883/

$215 NLHE 9 players
50/100/90

Villain (SB) $26,129
Hero (BB) $14,328

pre flop: (pot: $240) Hero has A 8

Folded to SB, SB raises to 270, Hero Raises to 900, SB raises to 1,950, Hero calls 1,050

Flop: ($3.990, 2 players) 8 Q A

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn ($3.990, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero raises to $1.995, SB raises to $4.450, Hero??

No stats, what would you do here??
 
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I will fold A8 pre-flop.
 
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Very difficult decision. Imagine what he has to have to 4 bet you preflop. His probable range of cards AA, AK, AQ suited, KK, or QQ. Thats if he is normal player. If he is loose and aggressive then its different but only you know how he played before that hand. I would pretty much fold 2 pairs. It would be very difficult decision but i would do it.
 
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Since you have smaller stack than opponent, I put them on a bully play maybe semi bluff flush draw or just 2 paired aces and threes, and call here all day long keep them honest. Sometimes they will have you crushed bigger two pair or sets though. What did villain have Evertongirl?
 
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preflop:fold A8o
turn:check coz 3 is rag
 
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Call preflop, without 3bet. Bet flop for value. Also, bet turn. If he has better two pair or a set, then it is just another cooler.
 
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I would not have paid the reraise, if only the minimum was paid or less to see the flop, I think there are many chips for a lot of risk, but following the play I would not have made that bet, just check to continue watching and be able to make a decision
 
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I'd definitely fold to 4-bet preflop - when you don't have any information on the villain it's always safer to assume that he's a "normal" player which implies him having in his 4-bet range only premium hands (although since it's a high stakes game checking whether if he uses light 4-bet to bluff you may be reasonable but I don't like that idea - it's better to fold and keep an eye on the villain).

Playing subsequent streets is pretty awkward because both ace and queen are really good for villain's 4-bet range; he could easily flop a set or 2 pair (with AQ). And if he flopped a monster he'd want to keep the hero in the game - hence check on the flop and turn despite preflop aggression. So instead of raise on the turn I'd rather check and then check/call the river.
 
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just my opinion

a8 personally i fold pre flop but with where ur at and the bank rolls id call 4k if the villan was playing lose in prior hands if they a tight player id let them have it
 
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Highly doubt our opponent is opting to 4 bet AQ here and I highly doubt he's checking QQ on flop because the ace smashes your 4 calling a 4 bet range. And theoretically he's losing value by not betting from hands like A10+ block half his AA combos (the most likely hand he checks and then raises on turn. I would rather see us bet when checked to on flop because that's the line we should be taking most often especially if we have a hand like 1010/JJ. I don't see us getting away from this here given that we basically got our ideal flop so if we are planning on giving up here you should be folding to the 4 bet pre.

Ideally I think we should be folding to 4 bet pre anyway and opting to just flat in position vs original open
 
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I would not have raised the bet, I would have paid the minimum, depending on what I know of the player, after the flop I would not raise either, I would wait a little longer but as you reached that point I would continue with the bet, since you risked part of your chips is better Finish the play if you feel security
 
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If you read him as a reg the preflop call is fine. but im always getting it in somewhere here A8 vs AQ in the blinds is a cooler.

Always betting flop in position here tho
 
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Turn($3.990, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero raises to $1.995, SB raises to $4.450, Hero folds
 
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easy fold pre-flop, 4-bet looks very strong
 
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Its SB vs BB situation, where your opponent can have any two cards pretty much. Considering he has a bigger stack and the deepstacks, that re-raise from the pre-flop is not really surprising, but it does narrow his range to Ax and some pocket pairs imo.
Regardless, I wouldn't make a turn bet, if you decided to check IP on the flop, then just check the turn again.
That way, you make the pot smaller, and also, it gives you protection if opponent has AQ or QQ and decided to slow play them. Then on the river just a call if V leads.
This way you are in a tricky spot, he can be bluffing, he could be valuing Ax or something better then your 2 pair, pretty much anything is in his range. Personally, would still call the turn, praying he has A3 and checks the river.
 
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