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$20 5k guarenteed Bovada tourney. I'm sitting on a 90k stack and both villians have 22k.

Blinds=1200/600 w/120 ante; Pot = 2880

I open to 2x UTG w/TT and villian1 shoves from UTG+3 and villian 2 calls from the HJ;
Pot~=52k and it cost me ~21k to call

I eventually folded, it was a tough decision and I strayed away from calling because I was the chip leader and getting a lot of respect so assumed this narrowed down their ranges a lot. Also I figured why risk almost a quarter of my stack for a borderline neutral EV play.

villian1 had AQo and villian2 had AKs. Did I make the right move or was that a call for sure situation? Thoughts, comments, objections are welcomed
 
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Readless i fold too , if you have a read that they 3-bet wide or they are aggro you can call.
 
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I do agree with your play.

Though we are ahead pre, we would pass three hurdles namely the flop, turn and river. Personally, thats a long shot for me.
 
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Rai River said:
$20 5k guarenteed Bovada tourney. I'm sitting on a 90k stack and both villians have 22k.

Blinds=1200/600 w/120 ante; Pot = 2880

I open to 2x UTG w/TT and villian1 shoves from UTG+3 and villian 2 calls from the HJ;
Pot~=52k and it cost me ~21k to call

I eventually folded, it was a tough decision and I strayed away from calling because I was the chip leader and getting a lot of respect so assumed this narrowed down their ranges a lot. Also I figured why risk almost a quarter of my stack for a borderline neutral EV play.

villian1 had AQo and villian2 had AKs. Did I make the right move or was that a call for sure situation? Thoughts, comments, objections are welcomed
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I think it was a good decision. 1010 against 2 preflopallins...tens are too weak against two players. ;)
 
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I'd have made the call with the odds you were getting 2.47:1, I mean that's just mean even If you didn't post the hands, and didn't tell us of what your outcome was, I make the call just based on odds alone. That's like folding because you're getting 3:1 only reason for you folding was because "you're the CL and getting alot of respect and thus don't want to show a neutral EV hand"?

That's beyond me to think like that, I'm not their too worry about what they think that I'm willing to call off with, I'm their to make them know what I'm willing to call off with. Would you also have folded JJ in that same situation? Players will take advantage of you in the long run If you keep folding hands as strong as that.

Now I'd have folded If the players involved are the nittest of nits yet they aren't because come on, how can you say that when they both were going up vs you with AQ and AK?
 
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naruto_miu said:
I'd have made the call with the odds you were getting 2.47:1, I mean that's just mean even If you didn't post the hands, and didn't tell us of what your outcome was, I make the call just based on odds alone. That's like folding because you're getting 3:1 only reason for you folding was because "you're the CL and getting alot of respect and thus don't want to show a neutral EV hand"?

That's beyond me to think like that, I'm not their too worry about what they think that I'm willing to call off with, I'm their to make them know what I'm willing to call off with. Would you also have folded JJ in that same situation? Players will take advantage of you in the long run If you keep folding hands as strong as that.

Now I'd have folded If the players involved are the nittest of nits yet they aren't because come on, how can you say that when they both were going up vs you with AQ and AK?
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Exactly this.

With getting 3:1 you are totally priced into calling. Even if some guys showes AA-JJ, you still have around 20% which is the worst case scenario, while in this case you are at almost 50%.
Not to mention that a lot of players whould also shove weaker pocket pairs (66-99).

And well then, how does this fold affect your table image? If you open UTG and then fold to shove(s), that might encourge others to 3bet you with garbage. Better to call and show that you can't get pushed out of the pot easily IMHO. ;)
 
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This post (rather, some of the comments) are a perfect example of "looks good on paper" vs "reality of the situation". These guys merely have shorter stacks than you, not short stacks! 18 bigs is not exactly short.

Maybe you did have the pot odds to call, but look at the dynamics...two shorter stacks have shoved, so bigger pairs and overcards are THE range, unless they were just maniacs, of at least one of them. Calling and losing would take almost 1/4 of your stack away.

This exact situation is why many a big stack gets into trouble. You are the chip leader, and if you lose here you will give up that lead and create a larger stack at a table you were on top of chip wise. Fold, and when one of these villains win, it's only a 52k stack so you are still on top of them. Which is better? 30-40k ahead, or slightly behind? And what if they chop? They still only have 22k each.

Fold, fold, fold. You can find a better spot.
 
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