TPMK on position

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im not completely sure how to play this on position , if im oop i can eaily fire 3 blocking bets and be done with it but on position it seems ppl cbet 100% of the time unless its multiway pot and that cause trouble.

for examle i have kjs and i call a mid pos raiser and my stack is around 15m , if i
hit top pair i want to bet it but i will never get away easily if the raiser bet half or more of the pot , i would either have to call the flop hoping he will give up on turn or 3-bet the flop to win it right there, if i call and he bets on turn as well then im in a big trouble since i play this hand for too much and they rarely give up on turn , so far i 3-bet on flop and even though it works well i dont like it
because im kinda conservative postflop and i hate to bet much , if you call flop and turn you waste the same amount of money but you lose the ability to win the pot via aggresion which sucks imo.

I wonder if i have to cut my calling range alot to make these decisions easier but so far calling more have helped me also im thinking the min-3bet , does it actually make people fold? how do you people play such hands on position if the raiser bets the flop for 2/4-3/4 of the pot?
 
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Your English is not making it very clear exactly what you're asking. Maybe it would be best if you posted an example.
 
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Your English is not making it very clear exactly what you're asking. Maybe it would be best if you posted an example.

well
1. If min-3bet postflop is good enough to make someone fold
2. how do you play top pair middle kicker if you have position on villain and he bets half or more of the pot

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blinds are 50/100 and your stack is around 4000 , a Semi-tag villain in middle position bets 300 and you call him with KJs and the flop is K-5-7 , he bets 400 on a 750 pot , how do you proceed from there?
 
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Call. Fold turn if he bets again. Maybe consider 3betting or folding pre as better options though.
 
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Playing in position is always easier than out of position.
 
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I agree with WV,but idk about folding turn,they are obviously gonna do A continuation bet. I think I would see how fourth street looks,if there are any straight or flush possibles on the flop. I would think my k/j was certainly worth playing to a position raise,but dont get to carried away with it and be ready to fold,but would probably not fold on fourth street because og there continuation bet that I would expect. I would definatly consider the three bet flop,if you get reraised then you can make the fold. If you just get flatted And fourth street they would most likley shove at a pot now, or even a hefty bet,then again you can choose to fold,But unless fourth street was a Aace or filled a flush or completed a straight,I would still feel pretty good with my king.
But like everything there is always so much more to take into account,and almost always have to be seated there at the table to see what is acctually going on.
 
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Your rather weak with TPMK ... KJ is a trouble when calling 3bet.. Your often dominated and if your playing TPMK well thats even putting your poker skills to the test even more.
2 pair minimum is where i want to be with KJ or straight draws .. Though the dreaded straight K9 will kill your entire chipstack to someone that has A10 or similar.. KK9 hits the board and you have KJ... the guy 3bet with pocket 9s in medium position which isnt out of the question.
Just be extremely careful and i'd be more likely to fold and save your chips with KJ and leave the soft hands for KJ

The only way i see you can come out of this good... is if your villain raised with AQ then you might have game. Or lower pockets if the guy has a wide range.
You'd often be playing the player not the cards with KJ

Hope that helps
 
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Definitely a call here, ur KJ is competitive enough to call such a bet even raise. The actions later are largely based on what the turn card is however. If a rag shows up maybe I will bet or raise his bet and fold if got big raised or reraised.
 
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KK9 hits the board and you have KJ... the guy 3betwith pocket 9s in medium position which isnt out of the question.

Just be extremely careful and i'd be more likely to fold and save your chipswith KJ and leave the soft hands for KJ

Had very similar thing happen to me w KJ in a live tourney.

mid min-raiser, caller on cutoff and I call in BB w KJ.

Flop KK7 I lead out. Raiser folds, cutoff flats

Thinking I was well ahead, I had to all of a sudden put on the breaks.

Turn. 10

I check, He bets 1/3-1/2. I start to think I may be out kicked with KQ but definitely not AK

I just Flat

River 4

I check, he bets 1/3 again. I thought about folding but just flat called. He flips 77 for the boat.

Bottom line is if I 3-bet the turn or even check raise the flop there I would have prob been all-in by river and been knocked out. Just flat calling saved me

Not a huge fan of the KJ. More often mucked at the start to look for a better spot. I just think it puts you into way too many difficult decision EVERY time you have it

Therefore my opinion is just to flat w your example and make him slow down alittle especially bc he is prob C-betting AQ or mid pair which you may still beahead of. I definitely would not befolding on the turn to another bet unless obscene bet thrown out at me or board is draw heavy. He then probably shuts down by the river. Just IMO
 
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Well a tag player ... Scare card would be a flush or possible straight out there... Push hard to get him to fold.
Lag well you make them pay each street until the river and value so you get paid off.

1/3 bet Alchemistkid is rather suspicious :)i guess you played it perfectly and didn't loose too much on it
 
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