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Hey everyone!I usually always play at full tilt poker and mostly like SnGs and MTTs but lately I have noticed something and would like a second opinion.Anyone else notices that if there's a short stack having a better hand and he goes all in against the bigger stack, the bigger stack wins 90% of the time?This has nothing to do with cards,about 90% of the time the river card will pop up for the losing bigger stack or a flush or whatever...

I even had it happen to me when I had pocket aces and went all in preflop and he calls with 8-9o and he gets the straight or KQ and he has both, or when i have full 10s over 4s the other player gets a fourth four to complete a quad...It's nuts!
It also happens the other way around whereas I have AQ for instance and hit the Q on the flop I go toe to toe with A pocket K and I get an Ace at the river just because I have bigger stacks.

I see this happening to everyone on the table and I wonder, does full tilt want to get done as quickly as possible with the tournament so they give the larger stacks more money and make all the other smaller stacks lose quickly?Its easier and quicker than making the bigger stack lose and there's plenty of shorter stacks while there are a few larger stacks...Again this does not always happen but it sucks if it's a basis!Any thoughts on this?
 
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Random it might be, but sick it is. I think I have sucked out from time to time, but not like some. I usually suck out when I call with a lesser pair and hit trips. Nothing special about that, but the runner runners are getting old. X
 
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Yes, Full Tilt really wants things to get over with quick. So its best to get your money when you're behind with a big stack. Short stacks never win all ins against big stacks, only against smaller stacks. Full Tilt does this because the lease they have on Isle of Man is due to end in 2012, around the 12th of December.
 
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Yes, Full Tilt really wants things to get over with quick. So its best to get your money when you're behind with a big stack. Short stacks never win all ins against big stacks, only against smaller stacks. Full Tilt does this because the lease they have on Isle of Man is due to end in 2012, around the 12th of December.


I have to chuckle,I cant wait for your future posts,thanks for the laugh!


Snow :cool:
 
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Yes, Full Tilt really wants things to get over with quick. So its best to get your money when you're behind with a big stack. Short stacks never win all ins against big stacks, only against smaller stacks. Full Tilt does this because the lease they have on Isle of Man is due to end in 2012, around the 12th of December.

Yep that is a good one. Wonder where they got this information cause I'd like to get the "Powerball" numbers for the next drawing.
 
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I see this happening to everyone on the table and I wonder, does full tilt want to get done as quickly as possible with the tournament so they give the larger stacks more money and make all the other smaller stacks lose quickly?Its easier and quicker than making the bigger stack lose and there's plenty of shorter stacks while there are a few larger stacks...Again this does not always happen but it sucks if it's a basis!Any thoughts on this?


I am certain you`re right. That`s very perceptive of you.

By the way, I am looking to sell my old house. The family has outgrown it. I could do a really good price for a discerning person such as yourself.

PM me if you are interested in making an offer. Here is a picture:


Buckingham palace
 
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wetyeti-that's the funniest response I've ever seen. Good one lololol
 
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I am certain you`re right. That`s very perceptive of you.

By the way, I am looking to sell my old house. The family has outgrown it. I could do a really good price for a discerning person such as yourself.

PM me if you are interested in making an offer. Here is a picture:


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WOW!!! Really nice house! Why would you want to sell it? Is it something to do with bankroll Management? (I imagine the heating & power costs must be through the roof!).

Did everyone feel good for flaming the 'new guy'?
 
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Great thread, completely hijacked.
 
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Had it happen again today!that's it I think I'm gonna call it a rule to never all in a bigger stack early on...Btw lol at wetyeti and yeah I would like to buy Buckingham palace! Think I'd turn it into a casino or something.What price are you offering?
 
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Hmmm, I must be playing in different MTTs & SNGs since the Final Table big stack usually doesn't win from my experiences...I've seen the short stackers go from last to 1st-3rd since they're consistently willing to risk their tournament life @ that point on any pocket pair (ie: 2.2, 3.3, 4.4) & end up pulling a Joe Cada on the big stacks...can't really blame them, the blinds & antes are so high @ that point & they're already ITM; this is where the big stacks would benefit by sitting back & letting the short stackers take each other out IMHO (but as usual, it depends on the tendencies of the players).

As an aside, sorry, have to pass on making a bid for your place Egon Towst...just bought a bridge earlier this week :p.
 
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I'm with you on this one Elie Yammine I have been saying the same thing for a while now glad to know some one else see it too.It really doesnt matter what the bigger stack has they just seem to win espically on the river.
 
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Full tilt is discriminatory against short stacks obviously... some operator of the game is following u around and hacking the computer, making those aces u waited 5 turns of folding your blinds for lose to 89o. Its how he gets his jollies.
 
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yeah I would like to buy Buckingham palace! Think I'd turn it into a casino or something.What price are you offering?


I`ll take a thousand dollar down-payment and you can move in right away. I should warn you that it`s a rough neighbourhood and we had to get pretty tight security. They dress like soldiers to impress the local gangs. Just tell them Elizabeth sent you and it will be ok.
 
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In regards to OP and not to Egon's Palace for sale (lol)

If you look at tournament poker from a distance. The short stacks may shove what they have left into the middle. But, it is really tempting for larger stacks to call with pretty much any Ax, Kx, or Pocket pair. I know it seems, ridiculous but also a huge factor of the all in call is the frequency of it and the % of Villains stack to call your all in. I played a tourney last night and I was in the chip lead @ 22k down to final 3, 2nd and 3rd roughly had 4k-5k stacks.

BTW, it was really nice that they both folded when it was my BB ha ha ha...

Anyway, for instance with these 2 short stacks (in comparison to my stack)... would go at it in a "Battle of the Blinds" whenever I would fold my button. But, if I was in the SB and min raised they folded, they waited forever to try to make a move and I'd rather just end it at that point. I called a shove from the Button with T8o out of frustration because it never seemed like their stacks were getting any smaller.

Well bad call right? Not when Villain is holding 66, pretty much a similar match up to AK vs. QQ, out of amazement I flopped the ten high straight and he hit a set and his hand did not improve.

Shoving with a short stack is either a cry for someone to fold or a cry for someone to call, it's all dependent on the Villain in question. Being these two are really tight, they wouldn't shove with Aces or Kings, they'd definitely want a call with those so they would "slow play" big hands but whenever they were weak it was displayed through a shove...

and it's 4AM here and I forgot what the original question was... if there was one, and I really need to sleep and it would be nice to sleep in Egon's house, can I rent a room Orifice? I'm somewhat delusional right now, I don't think I've gotten much sleep at all in the past week. Must lay down and Zzzzzzz..... anyway back to OP ... :musicus:

You're going to get called 70% of the time depending on effective stack sizes and Average VPIP% at the table you are on. End of story, I had AA earlier in the $3 FT KO 90 Man, Raised PF, got one caller, flop was ugly "No f***ing way he hit any of that" I raised a pot sized bet OOP with AA (lol are you ever out of position with AA?) Villain re-raised me and image of Villain is big stinky smelly fishopotamous , this is really early on too like maybe 50-60 hands in (enough for a decent read), I stack off with AA villain calls with J9s on a flop of 10s 7c 7d, and I was like cool alright!!! I was so happy that I was going to double up fairly early in the tournament... well FFFFFFF- me like my 3rd Grade report card after I wrote "I want to have sex with Danielle" not knowing what the hell sex was and wrote it above a urinal and signed my name... (I'm brilliant) turn was a 8d, people in general just play bad. Especially the KO tourneys, they are so bad.

So shit happens... if your SS there's like a 90 to 1 chance you double up enough times to make a decent stack at whatever blind level you are at... if you're shoving you probably only have 10-12 BB or less, and if you're considering 20BB's a short stack, we need to get into some HA with you, because you can still do plenty with a 20BB stack as long as you are patient.
 
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But also take into consideration, a huge amount of players are shoving and calling all their stacks due to the Full Tilt lease on funds, everyone just wants to get rich quick and withdraw their funds before the apocalypse. I don't know, why not spend a day out in the sun or something? Sometimes, you just look back on your life and say "God what a waste of time that was, I could have been down on 4th sipping on Jack and coke with that crazy chick Monique who has always had a thing for me but I never gave her the time of day. I should call her up and go get some drinks, because after 10 Jack N Cokes, sometimes my living room couch looks good."

There's a song stuck in my head and it's from the opening DVD menu of "Wanted" I'd really like to know what that song title is and who the artist is sometime before the Mayan calendar resets back to zero and starts over, or ends the world something like that. I have skype do you have skype? how about AIM? cool me too. I have to wake up at like 9AM tomorrow because I have a busy poker day ahead of me and then at the end of the day I'll just look at my day and say "God what a waste of time that was, I could have been down on 4th sipping on Jack and coke with that crazy chick Monique who has always had a thing for me but I never gave her the time of day. I should call her up and go get some drinks, because after 10 Jack N Cokes, sometimes my living room couch looks good."
 
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Salim!No one is following ME around!It's just programmed in the full tilt system and I can understand!When u have 10000 or more players playing in tournament it's always a lot faster to dump the shorter stacks into the bigger ones and have 10 rly tough players asap!
Again it might be programmed to happen with all the short stackers and again I said it doesn't always happen, just much more often than it's supposed to!
 
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Salim!No one is following ME around!It's just programmed in the full tilt system and I can understand!When u have 10000 or more players playing in tournament it's always a lot faster to dump the shorter stacks into the bigger ones and have 10 rly tough players asap!
Again it might be programmed to happen with all the short stackers and again I said it doesn't always happen, just much more often than it's supposed to!

Lmfao they dont need to do any of that, the reason they have set times for blinds and antes to raise up take care of keeping the tournament playing about the same time. Its not 90 percent of the time, you just think it is.
 
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It's natural shorstacks to be eliminated by big stacks ,right ? After all, the shortstack has to play with someone who has more chips to be eliminated.

If we continue with the logical thinking - Who's more likely to call the shortstack ? The guy who does not care about losing 5-10% of his stack. Who is this guy - the biggest stack at the table !!! What a surprise !

Now, we go to the next thing: You are more likely to remember unusual things. Your brain is playing games with you ! Any pocket pair is going to lose to Ax -> 1 out of 3 times, but probably you and many others do not find this fair and expect the pocket pair to hold more often like 8 out of 10 times... I call shortstacks with Ax all the time and suckout often. I am calling consciously knowing I will win only 30% of time...
 
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On chances even the weakest card has on the average a minimum of 35-40 percent, and notice fine stacks and their prize of that they fine)))) when wins a prepotent hand is imperceptibly because habitually
 
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