Tired of $1 SnGs

At FT at least. Seriously. Way too many idiots calling all in 3 bets/4 bets with mid pair, weak kicker. Calling a 65% pot bet with a flush draw. Calling all in shoves with a paired board, and over cards with a small pocket pair..

Is there anywhere I can play a decent SnG? I wouldn't mind a real tourney every once in a while, but I work 6 days a week.. so a site with some decent daily tourneys would be nice too. I can't stand the mass amount of idiots anymore. Surely there has to be somewhere I can go to get a decent game.

The question is, are you winning? Because, if you are not with all those horrible plays, then there may be a few leaks that you can fix.

btw, it does not ever get better, up to like 20$ sngs, ppl still make random weird plays which is always a good thing.

Honestly, no, I'm probably the worst poker player ever. I win short term, but I've never cashed, and I've lost more than I'd like to admit.

I'm looking in to something such as Cake or Carbon.. maybe it's softer, and I can actually profit

Just fix the leaks. Post some hands and improve the game instead of looking for easier games. You are obviously not a dumb person so you can beat the games.

Reading between the lines in the OP, you're bluffing WAY too much.

SnGs are mostly about nitting your way to the bubble and making the right shove-fold decisions when you're down to 10BB or less. Work on that and suddenly you might find the people that are beating you with these horrible plays become the ones who are paying off your real hands.

Pay close attention to your table, take MASSIVE notes. I note every showdown I see, so I can have an idea what everyones starting range is, this helps enormously as the game continues. Play each hand according to who is in and how they play. As the game continues, you will spot patterns each player has (at these levels). Note who calls with what, who raises with what, who calls and folds to a raise and so on. This is very important information, and if you are not doing this, you will see big improvement in your games by starting to do this.

This may be all stuff you know, Im just sayin. And I no longer play 1$ at FT (or anywhere else), the 2$ and up are better just cause of rake%. I seem to find that the 1$ games rate with play money games as far as stupid all ins and so on, the 2-5$ can be bad too, but not as crazy as the 1$, IMO.

Are you in the US? If not, I like PKR, its got decent traffic, and pretty soft games. Evening traffic is pretty good - European time.

I share your pain buddy, variance imo is if not worse at micros for the fact that people call with mediocore hands alot more at micros than anywhere else sure theres fish everywhere, and suckouts happen everywhere but you can't deny that the likelihood of it happening at micros is infinitely more and more likely to happen.

Theres also nothing worse than like a fish of like 60/2 with like 4k plus chips

just stick at it, its a tough hill to climb, the 3dollar sngs at least at pokerstars for the most part are alot better, I also try find it best to leave big mtt micros alone as for some reason the fisy/donks seem to migrate their most and theres nothing worse than playing your heart out at an mtt for 3+hours eyeing up a good cash to have your stack deplted from an absolute fish that shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place.

marginal said:

btw, it does not ever get better, up to like 20$ sngs, ppl still make random weird plays which is always a good thing.

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Right, an idiot at a poker table is a good thing.

You have to keep in mind who you are playing against, and what moves will work against them. What will your bet accomplish? If you are playing against a calling station, will bluffing him be profitable? If a nit check-raises you on the turn, should you call? Just be aware of what you need to do to exploit your opponents, and to assure that you cannot be easily exploited yourself.

PS I would stop playing $1 SNG's only for the rake.

Dewmz said:

...Way too many idiots calling all in 3 bets/4 bets with mid pair, weak kicker. Calling a 65% pot bet with a flush draw. Calling all in shoves with a paired board, and over cards with a small pocket pair..

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Your complaining about this? So instead of playing players whose main weapon is luck, you'd rather play solid, skilled players?

WOW.

Ummm, as a poster or two have mentioned, maybe you should brush up on your SnG play.

marginal said:

btw, it does not ever get better, up to like 20$ sngs, ppl still make random weird plays which is always a good thing.

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Umm.. that's B.S.
Daytime hours on Fulltilt I could post you some picks of player's stats. on each of the tables I'm on & you'll see there's quite a bit of difference even from the jump between $5 to $10, nevermind $1 to say an $11 turbo.

LizzyJ said:

Your complaining about this? So instead of playing players whose main weapon is luck, you'd rather play solid, skilled players?

WOW.

Ummm, as a poster or two have mentioned, maybe you should brush up on your SnG play.

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I actually do prefer to play vs. more solid players. One reason being that when you're playing at a table full of donks you'll be stuck with playing ABC poker and Level2 thinking at best. It's a drag to say the least. Sure you adjust for the players on your table... doesn't make it any less of a drag though.
A short while after starting out online I found I had better results at slightly higher buyins than the super micros. (I tried a handful of micros again recently on Stars, $5 buyins... hola hola hola... what a f'n joke).

My suggestion.... dick around with them but don't have much expectation for solid play. Learn as much as you can about the game (books, forums, vids., etc.).. then put some money down for a decent deposit.

Look at your game-not theirs. It does really sound like you need to tighten up. They don't look at pot odds or how many outs they need-they have a hand they stick with it. Fold the 6 9 offsuit and wait for the KK. Then you know you'll get it in good.

as a basic player i found that the low stakes taught me basic skills.I moved up in the 5 buck range and got some improvement .do what your doing by getting advice from quality players and you will learn and get a gd game as well.Though im not a big poster but believe me im here and reading and theres alot to read and improve on.

Try to buy-in at a higher level sit-and-go. Less illogical moves and more disciplined opponents if this is what makes you feel comfortable.

try the bodog beginner sngs...they pay out 5 spots on a 10 seat table and the rake is 10% not 20%...

play deepstacked sit n gos. get more play, and even if you get donked you can usually recover.

What are you all on about? seriously... in the long term, playing against fish is a LOT better, than playing against solid players... Variance should be less, as you will have a much better ITM %. If you struggle against fish, your probably not adjusting quick enough, not taking notes etc. Or you yourself, may be playing badly, (too loose early, too tight late etc.)

Sure the solid players are likely to be tight early, and playing a solid game, which means they are explioitable. But when it comes to crunch time, on or near the bubble, they simply wont make as many mistakes as a fish will..(fish give you walks BVB, good players dont, fish get it in vs each other on the bubble, good players try not too) It might be a little differant in a non turbo, but in either, i prefer playing against horrible players.. surely It's a lot better for ROI in the long term. I do sort of get why people want to play against better players, they are easier to read and what not, but it doesnt make up for the fact that these players get it in bad a lot of the time.

And another thing, playing standard ABC can be a good thing, it will allow you to mass multitable, which has obvious benefits... anyways,

One last thing that i don't think has been mentioned is the sample size, or amount of games you have played at that level. It's possible that you played ok, but got outdrawn a lot. It's common to have spells like this for 500 games, but the flipside is, if you play well, and keep getting your Money in ahead, you will have a spell of 500 games where you make a killing.

You should try the 1.10 and 2.20 double stack multi-table sng. You'll have plenty of chips to play with and one doesnt last that long.

as I say, It is always a good thing to see idiots win... Unless they are playing against you. Keep that in mind as you are grinding the micro stakes.

Those $1 90man double stack SnG's are pretty easy if u play ABC poker and rarely bluff (unless ur near the end game). Jus b patient & vaule bet the sh!t outta them and hope ur hands hold up. Thats all u can do against the idiots who like to call ur 3Bets w/ ATo/KQs etc.

You just have to try to get by them Dew, I know how it feels. I play the $1 SnGs at Full Tilt too.

try the limit sngs at stars and ft. nobody will wipe you out early with one hand so you get more poker for your money.is good practice if you want to progress to HORSE too.