Tilt is Advantageous

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I've noticed, with smaller stakes and definitely with mid stakes, that if I loose a hand, people automatically think I will be playing bad for at least a round or two.
This is when I make most my profits, ironically.
It's funny because I don't ever take a beat seriously, and never give away chips, but people will still assume I'm steaming.

Now, this is mind, I believe table image is important.
Imagine sitting down, playing a weak hand like 10-7o, and getting to a showdown in order to show your cards. *Now is when the other players assume I'm a donkey, and tilting. This is when I switch to TAG positional play and just rake in the calling stations.

What do you all think about this extra factor in the metagame?
 
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it's the exact reason i don't fully believe in a poker strategy. The fact a player can change his game as easily as in poker, its a brilliant "strategy" :).
 
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I've noticed, with smaller stakes and definitely with mid stakes, that if I loose a hand, people automatically think I will be playing bad for at least a round or two.
This is when I make most my profits, ironically.
It's funny because I don't ever take a beat seriously, and never give away chips, but people will still assume I'm steaming.

Now, this is mind, I believe table image is important.
Imagine sitting down, playing a weak hand like 10-7o, and getting to a showdown in order to show your cards. *Now is when the other players assume I'm a donkey, and tilting. This is when I switch to TAG positional play and just rake in the calling stations.

What do you all think about this extra factor in the metagame?

I actually do see a lot of people go on tilt after losing a hand. Today I trapped a guy on the flop. I flopped a full house.. so I checked it out of position. He hit a smaller full house on the turn. I check call. I donkbet for thin value on river and he lightly re-raises me on the river. I knew he had something strong so I went ahead and 4-bet shoved and stacked him. He was mad as hell after that. He shoved like 3 hands in a row after that. He got lucky on the first shove. Emotions gone wild!

Dancing Donkey <--- I had that youtube clip on my mind when he called my shove. I'd probably end up getting in a fight if I played the dancing donkey toy in a live tournament.
 
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I'm just wondering how often do you get to change up in a cash game like that. Which I figure you are talking about. I mean I have sit in cash games where I did not get a calling hand for 30 minutes. So you mean to tell me you get enough good hands to turn the whole game around your way? How much did you lose with the 10 7? Probably took you awhile to get that back. I been playing a long time and never seen anyone play crap just to throw off the other players and trap them. Just get real
 
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it's the exact reason i don't fully believe in a poker strategy. The fact a player can change his game as easily as in poker, its a brilliant "strategy" :).

I agree! Versatility is key!
 
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I'm just wondering how often do you get to change up in a cash game like that. Which I figure you are talking about. I mean I have sit in cash games where I did not get a calling hand for 30 minutes. So you mean to tell me you get enough good hands to turn the whole game around your way? How much did you lose with the 10 7? Probably took you awhile to get that back. I been playing a long time and never seen anyone play crap just to throw off the other players and trap them. Just get real

woah buddy. Never seen variance play out after loosing a hand? Assuming I loose 50%< of my stack, I can theoretically still profit my buy in very next hand. U talk as if u play at a table where no one pays attention to ranges in order to exploit. In this said example, I am exploiting my own range.
 
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I've noticed, with smaller stakes and definitely with mid stakes, that if I loose a hand, people automatically think I will be playing bad for at least a round or two.
This is when I make most my profits, ironically.
It's funny because I don't ever take a beat seriously, and never give away chips, but people will still assume I'm steaming.

Now, this is mind, I believe table image is important.
Imagine sitting down, playing a weak hand like 10-7o, and getting to a showdown in order to show your cards. *Now is when the other players assume I'm a donkey, and tilting. This is when I switch to TAG positional play and just rake in the calling stations.

What do you all think about this extra factor in the metagame?

It's a great viewing and a great strategy, for shore.

You put in the others a wrong view of your style of play and after you take advantage of that situation: good idea specially in cash games.
 
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onekaydeep wanted to say I'm sorry for the way I replied to your post. I have my own ways of playing to, and I'll say what ever way works for you is the way you should play. GL on and off the felt.
 
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This situation is more common in offline.Many stories about how professional pretends to be stupid donkey or drunk, loses first few hands.A then, using that image, beats his opponents.
The good online multitabler shall decide on the style of the player having its base at least one-two hundred hands.So, your strategy is applicable only against fish.But to beat the fish enough ABC poker
 
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I think that this is not so, and many people are wrong
 
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i have done this while playing in freerolls and will always get someone to call me with a hand they wouldnt just bc they think im on tilt but didnt know i was using advanced strategy or is it?
 
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Its a good strategy but it is costly.

You have to use some portion of your stack just to advertise such an image.
 
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I make similar strategy adjustment, if I get caught in a bluff on a river showdown. I'll play the same way next time I strike gold.
 
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Yes, timing is actually important as well to pull this off. IMO, just use a fast-betting fishy style with smallish bets, then switch to same speed but large bets with a solid hand. Works for me the majority of the times my opponents have ace high or better.
 
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It doesnt work :D Maybe just sometimes or you really play bad :rolleyes:
 
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I think that changing the
strategy the player gets more
benefits it just makes the brain
to other players
 
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Whenever someone looses a hand I am usually a bit more cautious that next hand if they are in a better position than me, I think others may as well. You can probably assume some calls would have been raises, but at the same time if they just called and didn't raise I'm sure they'd fold to an all in, although there's always the exception.
 
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It will work if you get a good hand after a bad showdown, I've done that and I have exploited players that are really steaming!
 
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Yes, got to love those overly Bayesian players.
 
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but you have an opportunity to change their style of play. play tighter after a loss.
 
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It is good to let your opponents think you go crazy after a bad beat while you still stick to your game. However it only works well against inexperienced players at low stake cash game only. In tournament replays I rarely see any player do smt crazy, they always wait for good hands like AQ+ 99+ to call your shove.
 
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I just stacked some maniac today. He chased a flush all the way to the river at horrible pot odds (and he hit it) so I paid him back later that session. I took all his chips & my original chips from him by slowplaying a set of 5s on the flop. It turned into a boat on the turn.
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The guy went on a huge tilt after that. Started shoving ATC for about 20+ hands. I just left the table after that LOL. I didn't feel like playing bingo.
 
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You made a good point. A lot of times you can use you tilt. But, I beleive it works mostly with bad players on low limits. From my experience people on 0,5-0,10 , 0,10-0,25nl cash games don't buy on this.
 
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I love tilting.... hence my name TILTshove
 
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