re: Poker & Talking your opponent into calling in a live game
Originally Posted by missjacki
I've found myself in a few situations where I wanted to induce a call and WANTED to give off signs of weakness...but didn't know exactly HOW to go about it.
Here's my question: when they say "will you show if I fold?"
what should we say there? I usually respond with "I don't show" which is the truth and I feel like that makes them slightly more likely to call.
the other question is when they say "Do you want a call?" I never know what to say. I usually say nothing but if it's a player I've been friendly with or it otherwise seems strange to not respond I'll say "Just do what you gotta do, man"
It's hard to know what to say when it's someone you have not played with before. Sometimes, however, what they say can tell you just what you should do. You can sometimes use logic. Example: I watch Vanessa Selbst at a final table, WPT season 12 Borgata. It's down to three players. UTG is Cong Pham, who raises with junk. Next is Anthony Zino, looks down at a A10 suited and 3-bets. Vanessa has J-rag suited and shoves 26 BB's.
Now Zino is in the tank for only a minute when Vanessa turns to him and says "well, no insta call, that's always good". Zino continues to tank and then she adds in "I'll show if you want". She says all this very off the cuff, apparently very truthful.
What would you do and why? Well, I would have called. Why? Simple, first you know she does not have aces or any big A or big pair. Why else be glad that there was no insta call? She wouldn't be saying anything with KK or QQ, even JJ - she would want a call knowing he does not have aces(no insta call). So, you might think then she has AK, maybe AQ or AJ, right? Maybe she said it on purpose because she has AA. Sure, now you fold...except she offers to show! Why would she volunteer that? Well, if she wants you to fold, this makes it easier for you....wait now, lets think about that - if she has AA or a big ace, why on earth would she show that? She would not be considered bluffing
and it tells
the table how she is playing....which is not well, because you assume Zino has some sort of Ace or decent pair to 3 bet with, so you flat with your big ace or shove. Yet again, with AK she is going to keep her mouth shut in case he has a middle pair and she sure does not want a race for her game life when she holds a decent stack. She would, however, just love to show a bluff!
"Look what I can do! I'm on TV bluffin the tough guys! So, if she thought he had a big Ace, with AK or AQ, she isn't going to say anything. Instead, she clearly wants a fold here. With her stack size at the time, it only makes it look even more like an over-aggressive steal attempt.
story is "I'm glad you don't have aces, neither do I, but I have a big hand (AK or AQ) that I'm playing very badly and I want you to fold". Does this make any sense? No. So, either she has total air or a small pair. That is why you would assume you have, at best, two overcards....until she offers to show. Now you are pretty sure she has nothing but air. 3 handed, A-10 suited is a monster.
In the end, you never want to base a poker decision on what someone says
, except in rare
circumstances. Given her well known aggression and table talk preflop here, I think you classify this as a rare circumstance. She did everything except tell Zino "I'm full or it". Mike Sexton even thought she was making a big mistake opening her mouth and thought for sure Zino would call! Instead he folded, and she showed the bluff. He would have even taken her flush outs away as they both had clubs. Sure, she could have spiked a J or a 6....still. It was pretty horrible on her part because after she does this, she almost always fails to then tighten up, and you must after showing such a lose bluff. Which is almost impossible anyway, 3 handed!