Originally Posted by Bwammo
Bubble play really depends on the type of bubble you're facing and the stack dynamics of the table.
For example: If we're in an event with 6k players or something and are on the bubble...we really shouldn't care either way about making the money or not, since our goal is to get top 3-4 rather than sneak into the money.
Yes the way you play hands can possibly be altered by the bubble situation, but usually only if your stack falls into the categories of "way above average" or "way below average".
Originally Posted by PNJs_dad
I disagree with about every one of the above statements...you'll lose alot of money by not caring "either way" about making the money or not. If your only goal is to finish top 4 in a tourney then you must be disappointed...ALOT. Yes you should ultimately play your best and play to win. But near the bubble not caring is terrible. Yes the bubble alters the way you play. Bigger stacks as I stated before can afford to play a little looser than smaller ones cause in any one hand they can be KO'D. The only time I can think of that the big stacks should "care" less about picking on the small stacks is when the prize for everyone that makes the money is the same. Like a satellite to a bigger tourney or something.
Sounds like you totally missed the bolded parts of what he said.
I have watched him play enough and trust me when he has a big stack near the bubble (or any other time for that matter lol) those small stacks don't want to be on his table at all.
The point he is making is that when you play in an MTT your primary goal from the start is to end up in about the top 4. Even when you don't get that far you will find yourself getting much further on a consistent basis if that is your goal vs having just making the money as your goal.
I have been both places. Before Bwammo started coaching me I had 1 final table in 4-5 years - and a lot of min cashes. Yep - I doubled my money enough to keep from going absolutely dead broke but never had a profit.
Since he started coaching me and my mindset has changed I have had several final tables and 2 huge
cashes. (that is all within the past several months). And to make things even better - I have much fewer minimum cashes - and a whole lot
more middle-late cashes.
So I think he has a good point.....
Originally Posted by Lilli3
It was single table...I should have mentioned that. I posted the hand in the hand analysis section if anyone cares to take a look.
That changes everything lol. In a single table game your first goal is 3rd then your next goal is 1st. There are definitely times you will play a hand differently when you are on the bubble - but your question is too general to answer.
If you will post some bubble hands in tournament hand analysis we can make sure some of our good sng players take a look at them for you.