Switching from Turbo to Regular SnG?

Well my BR dictates that I should move up to $5 SnG's now. I've been doing really well with the $3+0.4 10-Max SnG's just playing TAG and using ICM concepts.

Question is.. what adjustments do I make for the $5 regular 9-max SnG's?

Well, i couldnt say that the players would be much different. Most of them
will be inexpirienced and you can take advantage of that. If you were more
elaborate on your technique, then i would probably know some adjustments
but i cant compare since i dont know any. But i can say that if your
changing to regular, you have to be less agressive. Be a tight player and
take advantage of the inexpirience most of the players on your table will
have.By doing this youll put yourself in a position where the others will
be scared to find themselves in a heads up position with you, and this
is what you want, to me intimidating but tight in the same time.

if you want to build a bankroll i think there is no need to change to regular.

Okay.. let me be a bit more general. What are specific differences between turbo and regular SnG's strategy wise? Obviously the turbos are faster. How does the average play at each differ? If the regulars are less aggressive on average then shouldn't i be getting more aggressive?

It can be quite different. People who play turbos are impatient, and you'll find more donks in turbos. People who play regular poker are patient, therefore you'll find less donks here. Also, because the blinds are slower on a non-turbo, people are going to be playing more premium hands, so you'll have to tighten up. Also, pay attention to those who are impatient, and who are pushing way too much in the non-turbo. Sometimes people enter these without knowing how long it will take to finish, and they tilt really easily. Sometimes, you can call with moderate hands with great odds, like A10 suited, but be careful. Unless you know for sure they are pushing crap, don't call unless the blinds are really high. My advice is that if your bankroll is just enough to move up, stay where you are for now, and make more money, then move up to the $5 sngs. Make some extra cash to practice in the $5 so you won't get too angry if you start losing at the $5. Maybe set aside $50 bucks for about 10 games of non-turbos. Also, don't play both types of games at the same time as you might get confused. AJ might be good enough for the turbo, but you accidentally call a push on the other game, and get knocked out by AK. I only say this because you might want to play your strong and proven game that's your money maker, but want to play the next level just to keep you busy. You really need to play the non-turbo in isolation and really recognize the different types of plays.

Brian182 said:

It can be quite different. People who play turbos are impatient, and you'll find more donks in turbos. People who play regular poker are patient, therefore you'll find less donks here.

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Okay... I've got to STRONGLY DISAGREE here. Perhaps in the lowest buyins.. but as you move up in buyins, almost all of the regs. are playing the turbos. It's a fact. People don't necessarily play tubos cuz they're impatient. Turbos actually afford one the oppurtunity to take advantage of opponent's mistakes as there is ALOT less room for error in a turbo.

I played the $5's about a year ago and have to tell ya... I experienced more badbeats & suckouts on those tables than I have anywhere else.

Personally, I'd suggest playing the $6 9-plyr. turbos. You're already accustomed to turbos so why not stick with them? I've played a handful of the $6's on Stars just recently (i'm not well rolled on that site and rarely play there aside from priv. tourneys and some low level FR) and would say you should do well in them (if you're familiar with ICM as you mentioned). I think you'll find them alot better than the $3's and you'll probably even do better in them as well (a few less donks per table).
On those tables my experience has been that you'll usually find about 2 or 3regs. who are winning players, 2 or 3 avg. players, and 2 or 3 loose passive types or uber-over agressive types.

Not sure if you like turbos... but if you do I'd try out the $6's for a bit. If you want a better idea of how the $5's play out... why not open up 4 tables that are already running and watch them for a bit. Might be worth the investment in time (personally I always do that for any game).

GL on the tables!

Thanks for the advice guys! I didn't see the $6 turbos on stars.. now I do. I think i'm going to try those

In turbo tournements you have tp play much more aggressive than in normal tournements.
Blinds are not increasing so fast. So play much tighter then!

Some people are saying that you should play tighter in regular sit n gos and aggressive in turbos. Would it not help to play the opposite of that. People (at least in low level sit n gos) in turbos do start to shove early and often so why would you not want to wait on a hand and get it in verses someone shoving with bad cards. Being more aggressive in spots where most players are tight will often lead to profit.

My advise to players is always to avoid turbos and stick with the slower paced games. Poker is a game of patience as well as skill and luck. Too many people are in a hurry and it is my view that turbos force you to chase the game instead of playing poker as it should be played. Also the higher up you go the more time you should take to think.

Tom1559 said:

My advise to players is always to avoid turbos and stick with the slower paced games. Poker is a game of patience as well as skill and luck. Too many people are in a hurry and it is my view that turbos force you to chase the game instead of playing poker as it should be played. Also the higher up you go the more time you should take to think.

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I have made a killing on the $3 turbos, I don't have much experience at higher level turbos.. so what I'm going to say is to be taken in context of lower level SnG turbos.

Too many people are in a hurry and it is my view that turbos force you to chase the game instead of playing poker as it should be played

You are correct but came to a terrible conclusion. If you have a bunch of players throwing their chips around playing fast and furious... how do we exploit that? Basic theory tells us that we should play the opposite of the way the table is playing on average.. tight tables we play loose, loose tables we play tight, right? Trying to beat fish at their own game is a recipe for disaster! Let's look at some specifics.

1) we have a lot of loose players
2) most of these players are not paying much attention to us
3) they bluff with too high a frequency (that's what they do on TV!!)
4) these players overvalue hands like mad
5) these players tend to mistakenly think they are pot committed when they make a preflop raise
6) these players tighten up like a drum on the bubble (excluding big stacks who do the exact opposite)

Basic theory tells us that at a loose table we should play tight and at a tight table we should play loose.

#1, we should tighten up early against these loose players

#2, if they are not paying attention to us they likely will not realize it when we wake up a big hand.. they will consistently pay off our monsters

#3, when players like to bluff a lot, especially given #2, tight-aggressive postflop pay will get our big hands paid off easily, they won't realize they are trying to bluff out a monster

#4, again.. they will pay off our TPTK+ hands frequently showing down TPGK/TPBK

#5, preflop this is great for us.. I don't know how many times I have re-raised all-in preflop with AK/JJ+, got a call and villain shows A9+, KT+, 22+

#6, we switch to LAG as these players tighten up to play tight/passive, winning very valuable blinds increasing our prize equity (see independent chip model). But we play TAG against the big stacks since they are throwing their stacks around and will pay us off.

So.. now can we take these points as a framework and discuss how they relate to non-turbos? I await constructive feedback