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I am looking for a little advice on this. I like suited connectors but I might have lost the reasoning why. I play them in the small and big blind as long as the raise or call is not to big and in couple positions after the the big blind. So far on a site I just started playing at so far I have had 29 situations that maybe are putting me on tilt and causing me to play bad. I have had a open ended straight draw with the flush draw also with a few being the straight flush draw and have not had any luck with them. So far 0 have hit the straight or flush if calling it out or raising it up without getting a full fold around the table. Am I trying to hard to hit the draw or having a draw versus ruining the chance to bluff with the hand. I am asking when is a good time to play them and any advice to raise the success of playing them.
 
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I think Its best to chase your draws when you are getting the correst odds to call or when somebody has fold equity and semi-bluff them. Playing suited connectors on the button vs blinds is also very profitable,good to barrell high card flops as bluff and v-bet your made hand when villian thinks your firing blanks on non high card flops.
 
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These are the types of hands i like to invest as little as possible into until i know i have made a winner. Raising your draw can be effective in the sense that it's disguising your hand against your opponents, however if you continue to miss your draw and you're losing because of that... it's time to take some free cards or fold. Yes they can be profitable cards to play with but as above poster made mention you wanna play them in position more often than from the blinds, at least then you have the chance to send off a bluff when you have a better feel for what your opponents have vs. trying to catch up with an already made hand.
 
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These are the types of hands i like to invest as little as possible into until i know i have made a winner. Raising your draw can be effective in the sense that it's disguising your hand against your opponents, however if you continue to miss your draw and you're losing because of that... it's time to take some free cards or fold. Yes they can be profitable cards to play with but as above poster made mention you wanna play them in position more often than from the blinds, at least then you have the chance to send off a bluff when you have a better feel for what your opponents have vs. trying to catch up with an already made hand.

This is right on point.
 
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I like both responses.

Can I add if on the flop with connected suited and a good draw open ended or flush. Your opponent raises how much is a good amount to call and chase it. Or should I just fold or maybe come over the top. Guess this depends on the opponent so what about if they are TAG, LAG or if they are not aggressive believe them or come over the top. I do much better on the turn with these kinds of hands.
 
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It depends on the player, if you have a tight player. I would call it down, if I was getting the right pot odds to do so.If the player was loose, I would come over the top, and hope he folds.
 
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No one has mentioned what the "right pot odds" are yet. We should probably discuss this a bit too.

I believe odds to hit the OESD are 1 in 5 seeing one more card only. FD is a little better, 9 outs instead of 8. 17 outs for both OESD and FD, or about 1 in 3 to hit.

Generally we should be getting at least 5 to 1 pot odds to chase straight or flush draw. 3 to 1 pot odds to continue with both OESD and FD (if we aren't already semi bluffing here anyways).

Agree/disagree CCers??
 
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No one has mentioned what the "right pot odds" are yet. We should probably discuss this a bit too.

I believe odds to hit the OESD are 1 in 5 seeing one more card only. FD is a little better, 9 outs instead of 8. 17 outs for both OESD and FD, or about 1 in 3 to hit.

Generally we should be getting at least 5 to 1 pot odds to chase straight or flush draw. 3 to 1 pot odds to continue with both OESD and FD (if we aren't already semi bluffing here anyways).

Agree/disagree CCers??

If you have a open ended straight draw + a flush draw, on the flop (provided that you aren't drawing dead to a higher flush or straight) you should be calling or even raising when the pot is offering you anything greater than 2 to 1, because you are actually statistically a slight favorite to win the hand on the flop.
 
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Thank you for the replies. Hope everyone is doing well today
 
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If you have a open ended straight draw + a flush draw, on the flop (provided that you aren't drawing dead to a higher flush or straight) you should be calling or even raising when the pot is offering you anything greater than 2 to 1, because you are actually statistically a slight favorite to win the hand on the flop.


This is wrong isn't it? You are a slight favorite to win the hand but only if you see both the turn and the river. You are getting 2 to 1 odds but calling on the flop only buys you one card. I understand implied odds but they may be able to get out of the hand if your scare card hits too......

This might be a good chance to push all in banking that the folding equity + small advantage over most of your opponents range would more then make up for the rare times your actually dominated. I am assuming a decent sized pot realitive to your stack by this point.

This would be high variance though.
 
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Once you get a draw on the flop if you have pot odds to be in the hand you should stay in, and pursue as well as semi bluff to try to take down the pot right there before actually hitting anything. Fold to a huge raise though u don't want to find yourself calling off large chunks of your bankroll with straight and flush draws which might not even hit
 
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0 for 29 on an open ended or flush draw would put anyone on tilt. Still keep your pot odds in mind before calling. As with any hands like these out of position, you have to be willing to let 'em go if you think you are behind and aren't getting the right odds to call.
 
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Suited Connectors - why do you like them if they are beating the hell out of you?
DO NOT PLAY THEM IF -
1) Out of position (sounds like you are backwards on this).
2) You are not deep stacked. This is low percentage shot - like firing from half court. Don't do it if you can't afford to kiss those chips good-bye.
3) You don't have the ability to read your opponent and determine when to pass on the draw.
4) You don't have pot odds (as already stated more than once).
Yeah, it's fine to try to get to the flop cheap with them, but not a prerequisite. In fact raising (repping big cards) with them gives you the opportunity to take the pot down should the board miss you
 
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I'm not sure why you would think playing them out of the small or big blind is a good idea. This is the worst position to play them from. Play them on the button or cutoff, multi way pots are good and when you are deep.
 
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i am normally playing SNG 1-2 dollar buy inn, facing blind levels every 7 minutes you have to steal some blinds in the bubble face, pocket pairs or suited connecters higer than 8 are good cards to do so...
at the moment i am around 75% itm playing like that
 
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I love suited connectors i really love when i can get it in cheap the only problem i really have is when i get a staight flush draw cant let it go
 
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