Originally Posted by Arjonius
I don't know that I'd call ATx a bad flop to cbet. Assuming I've open-raised pre-, big aces are obviously in my range. I'd expect opponents to think I'd cbet if I actually had say AK or AQ. And indeed I would cbet most of the time. So shouldn't I also cbet fairly often when I don't have an A?
but my alarm bells go off anytime there is an A on the flop (even when I have one)
the 2nd card in the deck that gets my blood pumping is a T. Why? I guess it's reflex from what a coach told me long ago...that A and T are the most commonly played cards in the deck and so if a flop has an A or a T then lookout cuz SOMEBODY likes that flop. But if a flop has both an A and a T then bet at your own risk.
lets consider a AT8 rainbow flop.
who likes this flop? (at least a little)
....and there's not even a flush draw....and I didn't even include the weaker Aces that might still like it...
basically the only playable hands that don't at least KINDA like this flop are small pocket pairs and small suited connectors. (hell...even 67 has a gutshot!)
but still...I'm not saying DON'T cbet this flop....I'm saying stop and consider all the variables. If it's multiway and I'm OOP as the preflop raiser with AQ I'll just check call on a flop like this. (or check-fold if the fireworks go off between 2 other players)
If it's multiway and it's checked to me as the preflop raiser and I have something like KQ, I might just take my free card to draw at broadway. because in a multiway pot SOMEBODY likes this flop.
If your opponent(s) is capable of putting you on a range and then making a tight fold and you can represent the A, then by all means Cbet this flop.
In a multiway pot here, I'm almost never betting out (lead or no lead) unless I have A8 or better. pot control pot control pot control
that's my take on AT flops anyways...