JohnBoyWWFC
Grindddddd
Silver Level
Was going to post this in the HA section, but I figured a more general discussion on Stop & Go's would be good. I'm trying to work them into my game a bit more, I think it's better than simply 3b jamming sometimes, but I'm curious to know other people's experiences of it.
Here's an example of a hand I played recently.
pokerstars Hand #90141421506: Tournament #648795027, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2012/12/02 8:53:23 ET
Table '648795027 18' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Tejjmo90 (4193 in chips)
Seat 2: leogama (3840 in chips)
Seat 3: Oswald 1203 (5652 in chips)
Seat 4: toyberg90 (10020 in chips)
Seat 5: Mik3ll (4148 in chips)
Seat 6: Jonnywatford (826 in chips)
Seat 7: milked it (3202 in chips)
Seat 8: subar1k (5140 in chips)
Tejjmo90: posts the ante 10
leogama: posts the ante 10
Oswald 1203: posts the ante 10
toyberg90: posts the ante 10
Mik3ll: posts the ante 10
Jonnywatford: posts the ante 10
milked it: posts the ante 10
subar1k: posts the ante 10
Jonnywatford: posts small blind 50
milked it: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jonnywatford [Kc 6c]
subar1k: folds
Tejjmo90: folds
leogama: folds
Oswald 1203: folds
toyberg90: raises 150 to 250
Mik3ll: calls 250
Jonnywatford: calls 200
milked it: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc Th 5c]
Jonnywatford: bets 550
toyberg90: raises 1218 to 1768
Mik3ll: folds
Jonnywatford: calls 16 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1202) returned to toyberg90
*** TURN *** [Tc Th 5c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Th 5c 2d] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jonnywatford: shows [Kc 6c] (a flush, King high)
toyberg90: shows [9d 9c] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Jonnywatford collected 2062 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2062 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Th 5c 2d 2c]
Seat 1: Tejjmo90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: leogama folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Oswald 1203 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: toyberg90 showed [9d 9c] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 5: Mik3ll (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jonnywatford (small blind) showed [Kc 6c] and won (2062) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: milked it (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: subar1k folded before Flop (didn't bet)
So, generally, I would 3b jam this, but CO has a big stack and will call a lot and the called is fairly tight. Since we're first to act post flop, we can call and (effectively) jam flop and maximise our fold equity instead of getting it in 3 ways pre. The fact we hit the flop fairly hard is irrelevant really. Also, opener is multi-tabling, hence why I bet just less than a jam, often these players don't notice what you're doing and fold, whereas they would call if they noticed it was a jam.
Anyway, I'm not really too confident with this and was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on how good/bad/horrendous/spewy this play is and in general when is good to stop & go?
Here's an example of a hand I played recently.
pokerstars Hand #90141421506: Tournament #648795027, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2012/12/02 8:53:23 ET
Table '648795027 18' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Tejjmo90 (4193 in chips)
Seat 2: leogama (3840 in chips)
Seat 3: Oswald 1203 (5652 in chips)
Seat 4: toyberg90 (10020 in chips)
Seat 5: Mik3ll (4148 in chips)
Seat 6: Jonnywatford (826 in chips)
Seat 7: milked it (3202 in chips)
Seat 8: subar1k (5140 in chips)
Tejjmo90: posts the ante 10
leogama: posts the ante 10
Oswald 1203: posts the ante 10
toyberg90: posts the ante 10
Mik3ll: posts the ante 10
Jonnywatford: posts the ante 10
milked it: posts the ante 10
subar1k: posts the ante 10
Jonnywatford: posts small blind 50
milked it: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jonnywatford [Kc 6c]
subar1k: folds
Tejjmo90: folds
leogama: folds
Oswald 1203: folds
toyberg90: raises 150 to 250
Mik3ll: calls 250
Jonnywatford: calls 200
milked it: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc Th 5c]
Jonnywatford: bets 550
toyberg90: raises 1218 to 1768
Mik3ll: folds
Jonnywatford: calls 16 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1202) returned to toyberg90
*** TURN *** [Tc Th 5c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Th 5c 2d] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jonnywatford: shows [Kc 6c] (a flush, King high)
toyberg90: shows [9d 9c] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Jonnywatford collected 2062 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2062 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Th 5c 2d 2c]
Seat 1: Tejjmo90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: leogama folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Oswald 1203 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: toyberg90 showed [9d 9c] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 5: Mik3ll (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jonnywatford (small blind) showed [Kc 6c] and won (2062) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: milked it (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: subar1k folded before Flop (didn't bet)
So, generally, I would 3b jam this, but CO has a big stack and will call a lot and the called is fairly tight. Since we're first to act post flop, we can call and (effectively) jam flop and maximise our fold equity instead of getting it in 3 ways pre. The fact we hit the flop fairly hard is irrelevant really. Also, opener is multi-tabling, hence why I bet just less than a jam, often these players don't notice what you're doing and fold, whereas they would call if they noticed it was a jam.
Anyway, I'm not really too confident with this and was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on how good/bad/horrendous/spewy this play is and in general when is good to stop & go?