The standard Play Is?

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Two all ins in front of me. If I lose I will be down to under 4000 chips from 12,500

Is the proper move to call or fold?
 
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Fold. People massively overvalue AK. At best you could be racing against one of these, at worst you're dominated. There are a lot of other factors which you don't mention like payouts, blind structure, stacks of the shovers etc. Also, sometimes you're going to want to take these marginal spots in the hope of going deep where the real money is, for example in the Daily Dollar, but in my view, it's a fold. I'd say you'd have to be pretty lucky for a call to be the +EV move in the long run, but like I say, in a tourney a lot more comes into it.
 
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I always fold AK if there is more than 1 all in in front.
After the second all in, I assume at least on person has the rockets.

Although in micro stakes, this is normally not the case ;)
 
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1st prize was $120,000

who else will make the call
 
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Two all ins in front of me. If I lose I will be down to under 4000 chips from 12,500

Is the proper move to call or fold?

I'd fold there. Maybe you have the best hand but you still need to improve. Best scenario is that you are against 2 aces, so you'll be in advance. Other than that, if someone has a PP, you have to catch a card
 
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I would call, bcuz the AK suited hand still has a +EV of just over %50
 
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1500 remain
150% median chip stack
BB AK diamonds

Two all ins in front of me. If I lose I will be down to under 4000 chips from 12,500

Is the proper move to call or fold?

Well you are leaving out a lot of info here.
Blinds, structure, reads and so on.
 
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You would have to think that you are behind depending on who the players are. If you just sat down/moved and had no read then you should fold. Do you really wanna risk your stack on a 50/50 at best?
 
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Fold. Many reasons already stated above.

On a side note, can nobody here make a decision or give advice without knowing everything about the hand dynamics?(you know who you are :) ) I mean, this is an example of a scenario that happens alot in NLHE, and general info is good enough for general advice. I know it all "depends", but sometimes it does not. Two players shoving, you got AKs, you're at best a coin flip. Nuff' said. 99% of the time you're folding in this spot.
 
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If there was only 1 all-in I might consider calling, but 2 ? No way.

AKs is pretty, but so is Paris Hilton. Going all the way with either would create equally unfavorable results .:eek:

Regarding the objections here, the thread title suggests OP wonders what the 'standard' play here would be. No real need for more info. OP set the stage with the pertinent facts IMHO. It won't really matter all that much if one or the other villains are lagtrards. The situation is clear IMO and I won't want to be the 3rd player all in at that point.

Like I said, if only 1 shove and me, maybe. If I could have acted first I could have shoved, but those clearer situations are not this situation.
 
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fold 95% of the time :) jmo

AKs is pretty, but so is Paris Hilton. Going all the way with either would create equally unfavorable results .:eek:

pretty sure results would be very favorable going all in Paris and the hand would be over pretty quick but either way you got to gamble once in a while if you want to take down the big one :D
 
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U damn rocks, how can you ever win anything if you dont take your chances?
 
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blinds 800/400
we are in the money but from real money
 
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U damn rocks, how can you ever win anything if you dont take your chances?

lol. Taking chances is one thing, but entering a 3 way pot with a 50/50 (at best) hand is another. One shover? Ok, I'm in for the chance, but two? There's gonna be a better spot down the line. Especially if i'm sitting 150% above mean stack size. Plenty of breathing room to wait a bit.
 
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I think I would rather shove, if first in, JTs than call this situation.

It is the 3rd hand in the pot part that persuades me to drop it.
 
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lol. Taking chances is one thing, but entering a 3 way pot with a 50/50 (at best) hand is another. One shover? Ok, I'm in for the chance, but two? There's gonna be a better spot down the line. Especially if i'm sitting 150% above mean stack size. Plenty of breathing room to wait a bit.

I would take a chance to TRIPLE up being 50/50 every time and so would you.

Realistically here though we're basically never going to do much better than breaking even on this call. Against 2 ranges of 66+/AJs+/AQo+, we have 34% equity. I'm pretty sure this is a standard fold.
 
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lol. Taking chances is one thing, but entering a 3 way pot with a 50/50 (at best) hand is another. One shover? Ok, I'm in for the chance, but two? There's gonna be a better spot down the line. Especially if i'm sitting 150% above mean stack size. Plenty of breathing room to wait a bit.

Sure, play for ITM. You probably cash way more often than I do, but good luck ever winning a big MTT..
 
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I would take a chance to TRIPLE up being 50/50 every time and so would you.

Realistically here though we're basically never going to do much better than breaking even on this call. Against 2 ranges of 66+/AJs+/AQo+, we have 34% equity. I'm pretty sure this is a standard fold.

It would be a standard fold in a STT, (but a situation like this would never happen in a STT though).

As a matter of fact something similar happened to me last week, with similar blinds.
A guy pushed, I re-shoved for around 30bb's.
BB folded AK.
The initial raiser had T4s, I had AQs.
 
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Sure, play for ITM. You probably cash way more often than I do, but good luck ever winning a big MTT..

I don't just play for ITM. I play for the win and as a result bubble quite often. Regardless of that, I am still not making an "easy call" for 2/3 of my stack against two shovers with poor equity just because I am already ITM. QQ+ I'm in there all the time, but AK probably needs to improve in order to win, and even if it turns out to be the best hand, it's still down to the matter if you are going to put 2/3 of your stack out there with 1/3 equity. Personally I'd rather not, and if that makes me a nit so be it.
 
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blinds 800/400
we are in the money but from real money

This is why you need the extra info...with your stack(at this point if you want to still call it that) being at 15 bbs this is an EASY call. I MEAN EASY!!!

Nothing really to think about here. I mean the aces at this point probably ain't coming. If you win great if you lost then do your best with your 5bbs you have left. GL with situations like this. When your SS'd then you truly are at the mercy of the deck. Just remember that you still can be patient in this spot. Just because you have 10 to 15 bbs doesn't mean that you just push with any 2 cards. You can still play smart in these situations. :D
 
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I would take a chance to TRIPLE up being 50/50 every time and so would you.

Realistically here though we're basically never going to do much better than breaking even on this call. Against 2 ranges of 66+/AJs+/AQo+, we have 34% equity. I'm pretty sure this is a standard fold.


I wouldn't really be tripling up.

This is an easy fold without specific reads imo.
 
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I wouldn´t call, because even if it´s true that you could be ahead overall (like 40% against 30%/30%), there´s still 60% chances to lose. If they are suited i maybe would start thinking on calling, but it seems like you can get better spots later on the tourney.
 
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Easy fold in this situation. Yes, the cards are pretty but all you have is an ace high, and you'd be left with less than 5 BB's. Just my $.02
 
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