Squeezing and what is the proper betting amount

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Blinds 1500/3000 ante 400 (No Limit Tournament Event)

Villian 1 active player (50bb) raises to 7000 - villian2 (100 bb) flats and our hero with a stack of 104,000 has KQ in BB - decides to squeeze raise with KQ to 20,000.

So my question I believe the raise should be at least (30,000-35000) pre as vs 20,000 - thoughts please?

This is my first post so I hope I'm not missing anything but will share any information required.
 
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I would make it ~28K. Same "rule of thumb" as raising over a limper (3X plus 1 per extra player).

I have no idea if this is correct. Subscribing to see other people's thoughts:)
 
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He probably thought KQ wasn't enough to raise so much. Also he might have tried to keep the other player in the round. If he had raised to 40 000, then Villian 1 might have folded. You want to try build the pot, not get everyone to fold.
 
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I don't mind getting folds in this spot with being OOP - building the pot is
spewwy to me.. thus to me getting the correct squeeze amount is pivotal
 
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and thank you for input ..
woth 35bb to start the hand - the squeeze here puts your SPR out of whack quickly if you bet the flop
 
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Yes, 20 is WAY too small. Villain 1 is now getting 1:2.6 to call and if villain 1 calls then villain 2 has 1:3.6 to call... you are givimg them correct odds to call profitably with their entire range.

Generally I bet pot when Im squeezing. Maybe pot +1bb ... and if PSB commits you to calling a 4bet (if PSB is more than 1/3rd of your stack) then shove flat or fold


I think 28k would be an appropriate size here
 
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Flat call and play poker would be my first instinct. What position did Villain 1 open from and what position was the cold-caller in... was this a six max table, full ring, any empty seats?

20k is definitely not enough and raising a third of your stack as a bluff doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me.

I'd rather go all-in than make it 30k or 35k - yah you only get called by better, but when does that ever happen? Plus you pick up a decent pot when it works. :p

Good luck to you!
 
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I am risking 35000 but I win 17000 if it works and it's going to work more than 50%of the time so my hero friend went with 20,000 and 9 10 suited called and hit flush on river and he ended up losing 65% of his stack.

But it stemmed from the raise being too small and and as prev post - it's a mistake to fold with those odds so the raise didn't really serve any purpose in my eyes..

bloating the pot OOP is for me - a huge nono in live tournaments
 
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I run an a poker event here in canada and we have players that play in some serious events and lower buyins and this spot gets them more into trouble then any ..

I'll take my shot if condition is perfect and yes sometimes it fails but I have to be committed to the bet size for it too work..
 
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