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Doesnt everyone hate the player who starts using all of their allotted time on every decision when getting near the money. I was at a table the other day and there was about three or four of them doing it. I got so mad :mad: because we didnt get to see many hands around the bubble which is a time i like to steal alot of pots. I wish there was a way to stop people from doing this.
 
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Doesnt everyone hate the player who starts using all of their allotted time on every decision when getting near the money. I was at a table the other day and there was about three or four of them doing it. I got so mad :mad: because we didnt get to see many hands around the bubble which is a time i like to steal alot of pots. I wish there was a way to stop people from doing this.

When I have a big stack I too find it annoying. When I have a small stack I too will run out the clock a bit in hopes of cashing. Each player has an alotted amount of time and is free to use it or not use it when and as they see fit. It's just another weapon in the arsenal. It may seem inconvenient to you but it is fair.

And as other players on your table are doing it, so are players on all the rest of the tables.

You're probably getting the same number of hands in before the bubble as you would if the clocks were suspended. It's just taking longer to get there.

And don't get angry because anger leads to tilting. Relax and go with the flow. (Or head to the kitchen for a beer.) IMHO
 
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i do the same thing if i got to use my time and it gets me ITM then im happy
 
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Hate to admit it, but there are times when I play myself into a position where hanging on for the cash is looking like my best option. I hate wasting the entire clock cause I feel like an ass. I do understand where their coming from though, playing several hours for nothing sucks. I pick up a book or a crossword puzzle and wait it out.
 
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When I have a big stack I too find it annoying. When I have a small stack I too will run out the clock a bit in hopes of cashing. Each player has an alotted amount of time and is free to use it or not use it when and as they see fit. It's just another weapon in the arsenal. It may seem inconvenient to you but it is fair.

And as other players on your table are doing it, so are players on all the rest of the tables.

You're probably getting the same number of hands in before the bubble as you would if the clocks were suspended. It's just taking longer to get there.

And don't get angry because anger leads to tilting. Relax and go with the flow. (Or head to the kitchen for a beer.) IMHO
I agree I do find myself taking as much time as I can when I'm short stacked and wanting to push the pace when I'm chip leader on the table. Everybody is doing it not just that table. It's a part of the game that we all have to deal with and if it irritates you that much find something to do til its your turn and relax before you start tilting for no obvious reason.
 
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The period bubble is my most favourite time, especially when I have many counters)))) Unfortunately very many players, especially with short stacks, start to play for time in hope to hold on to money..... And they cannot be condemned, after all eventually for the sake of it they and play)))) Therefore try not to spend for them the nerves - revenge them good game)))) is better
 
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Bubble play is an art form I have yet to master, but give me a short stack on the bubble of a satty and I am running my clock down every hand. I am in it to make money (get a seat) not to help out the other players or give the action junkies something to do.

On standard MTTs I will aslo do this if the buy-in is a decent % of my BR. It just does not make sense to me to rush things and end up going out because I wasn't patient. If I am that short that the likelyhood of making a deep finish is very low then I will take the lowest place money to have another go later.

If however I have a big stack I will be raising pretty much any hand pre against the guys waiting for the money to give me a better shot at going deep :)
 
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Use your time to YOUR advantage...

When it gets near the bubble and there are short stacks shoving all-in to steal then, yes, I will use the clock to my advantage, gradually the blinds will increase and the short stacks will eventually get blinded out, therefore the longer I take to make my descision, the less time the bubble-steals will be able to make that same move!

I also find it useful to control the table when the betting gets frantic and everyone is insta-calling or betting. If I bet and I get 3-4 callers/raisers who have reacted instantly then I'll take my time to slow things down again. It also show to your opponents that you ARE thinking about every hand you play, not just reacting with your ego and re-raising when your bet has been raised. This also decreases the chances of being read by 'timing-tells' when playing online.

Poker is about patience, "it's a marathon, not a sprint", most online players fail to see this and are wanting instant reward for little work, or even within their lunch breaks!!! If I can screw with their timetable and slow the pace a little, they usually end up laying off ridiculous bets to try to make the bubble pop a little sooner. On occasion I have noticed that there are still some (inferior) players who, once the bubble bursts then fold every hand (or sit-out) just to climb higher up the payroll for little effort. By slow-playing every hand the blinds increase and their stacks diminish a little sooner.

A few times this creates a nice psychological advantage as the other players then start to tilt and get frustrated by this play.
 
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It has two sides.

If you're deep you drove nuts.

If you're small, u do the same. It happens all the time, don't worry!
 
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Yeah, same here. If you're up, it gets annoying, fast! But I'll do and have done the same thing if it means I cash in! Just like others say: its like running the ball in the 4th quarter when you're up by a touchdown. Its part of the game and another tool that can help if used wisely.
 
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If I have a stack that I have literally no fold equity I'm going to try and run down the time and cash... or hope I can get a hand.
 
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it seems as if i am on my own on this one. i just feel like this is a crucial time in the tournament to see as many hands as possible. once the bubble has busted the blinds are usually so high that having a big stack is crucial to making a serious run at winning the thing. and i feel like i was cheated at having an opportunity because i didnt see as many hands as i could have. i have never in my life signed up for a tournament to minimum cash so i might be looking at this differently than most of you.
 
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I've done it before so I'm not going to knock it. LOL I've seen someone squeak into the Final Table with 50 chips and then go on to win the entire thing. Crazy stuff but sometimes just hanging in there is what you need to do, and sometimes it isn't.
 
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i play to win i dont wanna win a little of my money back, that isnt good enuf for me i like to win big or go home
 
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Well for a short stacked player on the bubble, it's a smart idea because you get to wait to see if someone will get knocked before you can take a risk. I didn't like either the first time it happened, but it is part the strategy people use to get into the money and they are smart for doing that.
 
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When I am short stacked I try to use the clock to my advantage hoping someone else at another table busts. It gets annoying when you have a big stack but pace usually picks up once past the bubble
 
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lol used to do it a lot when playing freerolls, it's how I got the first dollar with which I built my br up to what it is today, a lot of timeouts and a lucky cash
 
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- This strategy is like a double edged sword. -
 
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- This strategy is like a double edged sword. -


Could you explain further?

I'm actually ok with it either way. If I am a small stack I understand and appreciate it... and if I am the big stack I understand an appreciate it. While they are eating up the clock they are giving the medium/small stacks even LESS time at the lower blinds. At this time blinds can be CRUCIAL to many of the stacks at the table, so giving them less hands to see cheaply helps the big stacks too.


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That's all a part of tournament strategy, I don't understand your gripe?
 
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Well for a short stacked player on the bubble, it's a smart idea because you get to wait to see if someone will get knocked before you can take a risk. I didn't like either the first time it happened, but it is part the strategy people use to get into the money and they are smart for doing that.

Yes. I was WTH!? the first time I saw someone doing this -- but that was years ago now. If I have a bigger stack, I laugh and silently wish the poor SS'ers luck in holding on -- if I don't get a chance to bust them. If I am one of the SS'ers, hoping to make at least my buy-in back after 3-4 hours of play, I'll do the time-drag. I will apologize to the table; most understand. I will speed it up if my blind looks like it might come at about the same time the blinds increase. AH, desperation! Some tourneys, that bubble period is excruciatingly long.

I kinda hate getting a playable hand at this point -- gotta play it and that's how I bubble. I bubble a bit too often for my taste. Hate it.

What makes me laugh are the folks who still drag it when the hand-to-hand starts -- it makes no difference then. When more than one player busts in the same hand, the one who started with the shortest stack is the loser, not the one who busts first. Or, at least, I think that's what happens.

i play to win i dont wanna win a little of my money back, that isnt good enuf for me i like to win big or go home

Yeah, well, can't win big if you have a SS and don't last past the bubble. Can't win little either. Little beats zip. Little keeps you having the money for the next buy-in, and then some. But if that thought works for you, great. :) Me, I hate being a complete loser.

If I make it past the bubble with a SS, sometimes I will make it a lot further, well longer than many of the bigger stacks. Just need to keep grabbing some breathing room, even if I can't get much traction.

That's all a part of tournament strategy, I don't understand your gripe?

Yep!
 
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It is a legitimate strategy whether you like when it happens or not. The same as blind stealing, trash talk, check-raising, etc. All are legitimate strategies that some people may not like when you do it, but you do it anyway.
 
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i play to win i dont wanna win a little of my money back, that isnt good enuf for me i like to win big or go home

You can use the clock and still play to win. I've slipped under the bubble and still ended up making the final table many times. In fact I am betting that the survivalists make final tables as often or even more often than the "I play to win" "get a big stack or bust" players.
 
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Is it against Full Tilt rules for the whole table to use every second of time they have before they act every time???

What if?
 
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You can use the clock and still play to win. I've slipped under the bubble and still ended up making the final table many times. In fact I am betting that the survivalists make final tables as often or even more often than the "I play to win" "get a big stack or bust" players.

Maybe in the mini-micro-super-duper-daily-dollar-donkaments but hardly in decent buyins.

Sure it sucks when you lose out on an oppurtune time to accumulate chips (on bubble) because of some SS's trying to min-cash -- nothing you can do about it aside from 'adjusting',.. even if that means taking deep breaths, sipping some coffee, havin' a smoke, etc.
In some situations I will use the timer to my advantage (not in large-field tournaments) - - ie. in a 45-plyr. sng on (or near) bubble, or a satellite. Letting the timer rundown when blinds are about to increase so that my opponents will be in rougher shape (no fe, $'d to call, forced to get ai, etc.). << much different scenario than a larger-field MTT obviously.
 
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