Some questions about multitabling,bankroll and roi

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these questions are for full ring stts only.

1. first of all i can only play 4 stts at a time , if i try hard i may increase this to 6 , under these circumstances , is it worth to play regular stts instead of turbos? yes the roi is higher but i will probably not play enough volume per day.

2. How many stts is it standar to play per day? and whats the minimum for a good player?

3. Whats the difference in roi among good players between turbos and regulars?

4. Lastly , when do you move up a limit? lets say you need 30 buy in roll for 7$ , do you move up when the total of your bankroll is 210$? and if you do when do you move down? when you have 30 buy in for the 3.50$ or when you fall under 210$? in fact i think if i play 7$ at 210$ then i have like 15 buy ins before i move to 3.50$ , wouldnt be better to grind 30 buy ins for the next level instead of moving up when my total bank is x30 the buy in?
 
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Hi tgen.

1. There is also preference involved with regards to choosing between turbos and regular speed stt's. ROI does tend to be higher with regular speed, and volume being key with turbo's meaning players/grinders can obtain a higher hourly rate but ROI tends to be lower on turbo games. It's a balancing act essentially of which you are looking to obtain, and which game you feel more comfortable playing.

2. There isn't really any standard, its going to depend on the amount of time you play and the # of tables you play at a time will be a big impact as well as if you run them in sets or continuous.

Sets meaning you start 4-6 and finish all of them before opening any new stt's, while continuous you would open another as soon as you lose or win one so you continuously are running your max 4-6 tables at one time.

I have done some stt grinds and was running 9-15 tables at a time depending on the level I was playing, running in sets results in lower volume than continuous but running continous also means you could be on a 10/20 blind on one table 9 handed but 100/200 on another 6 handed so you need to pay some extra attention before acting in either case. I found sets were more comfortable although did well with continous at times also.

Turbo games usually run 30-45 minutes while regular are 45-75 minutes so the volume you get will depend on which you play and if you go with sets or continuous. I had nightly grinds at times where I knocked 100+ stt's over an 8-10 hour period or so.

3. Not sure on the specifics, only time I really looked at it was a small ftp grind I had done and I had about an 8% ROI difference between regular speed and turbo's with the regular speeds being a higher ROI but I had earned a greater amount of $ from the turbo's because of the higher volume in the same period of time.

4. Regarding BRM for stt's, IMO 30 buyins is too agressive really. I was following a 75-100bi rule for stt's when i was grinding them, somewhat because I was running so many tables but also because it was mostly turbo's and they can be swingy. If you plan to grind regular speed games and only 4 at a time you could be alright with 50bi brm.

Regarding when to move up or down it depends on your brm, for example if you are using a 50bi rule then once you have 50bi for a level that is the level you are rolled for, however if you havn't played at the level before then I would suggest doing maybe a 10-15bi shot so that if you fall below 35-50bi for the level you drop back to the previous level and rebuild to prevent busting.

So for the 7$ level you would want 350$ min, and drop back to the 3.5$ level if you drop below 250$br, and then grind back to 350$ before hitting the 7$ level again. As you move up levels you may want to increase your brm as well, so if you use 50bi for the 7$ levels you might want to have 60bi or more for the next level before giving it a shot to allow some extra cushion because games get tougher and ROI will drop because of this.

Good luck with your grind and hopefully all this info helps in some way. Cheers
 
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i would think most sng players are playing 6 -30 games

how many you can play in a day is based on lots of things, the format, the player pool, are you playing multiple sites, computer, mental toughness, etc etc

reg roi usually are higher, but usually not high enough to make up for the win/per hour

bankroll should be based off your long term sustainable roi, but the easy way 100 buyins if you are crushing it, and 200 if you have low roi

i think its time to move up in limit when you have too much money, but the easiest way is to gradually mix the higher limit games in with your reg games- this allows you to get used to the higher level gradually and doesnt add as must risk to ruin
 
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1. first of all i can only play 4 stts at a time , if i try hard i may increase this to 6 , under these circumstances , is it worth to play regular stts instead of turbos?

--- If you can concentrate playing them then there is nothing wrong with playing 4 to 6 tables. It should not affect your play.

2. How many stts is it standard to play per day? and whats the minimum for a good player?

--- Nothing as such. Poker is freedom. It is not a job. Play whatever volume you want whenever you want.

3. Whats the difference in roi among good players between turbos and regulars?

--- The aim is to have fun and make a profit at the end of the day. At least thats how i look at it.

4. Lastly , when do you move up a limit? lets say you need 30 buy in roll for 7$ , do you move up when the total of your bankroll is 210$? and if you do when do you move down? when you have 30 buy in for the 3.50$ or when you fall under 210$? in fact i think if i play 7$ at 210$ then i have like 15 buy ins before i move to 3.50$ , wouldnt be better to grind 30 buy ins for the next level instead of moving up when my total bank is x30 the buy in?

--- 30 buyin is not recommended. It is very less in my mind. I like to have 100 buyin so that we can play freely without having any pressure bankroll wise.
 
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these questions are for full ring stts only.

1. first of all i can only play 4 stts at a time , if i try hard i may increase this to 6 , under these circumstances , is it worth to play regular stts instead of turbos? yes the roi is higher but i will probably not play enough volume per day.

2. How many stts is it standar to play per day? and whats the minimum for a good player?

3. Whats the difference in roi among good players between turbos and regulars?

4. Lastly , when do you move up a limit? lets say you need 30 buy in roll for 7$ , do you move up when the total of your bankroll is 210$? and if you do when do you move down? when you have 30 buy in for the 3.50$ or when you fall under 210$? in fact i think if i play 7$ at 210$ then i have like 15 buy ins before i move to 3.50$ , wouldnt be better to grind 30 buy ins for the next level instead of moving up when my total bank is x30 the buy in?

1. i started out playing only 2, then slowly increased as i got more experience. Learning the game well will also help this as you have to think about decisions less. For your question it's really up to you, if you are not taking it seriously or trying to play for money, then just play what you enjoy, it's not really worth the extra $/hour to play turbos if you don't enjoy it, as it won't really work out for you in the long run since you simply won't play enough games to reap the benefits.

2.Depends on your personal goals. some players put in 100+ daily, for reg speeds, 50+ daily would be decent for someone playing them for a living, but no one plays them for a living that i know of.

3. Depends on the buyin level, as a rough guideline, turbos you max out these days at 10% roi, whereas the regular speeds it's possible to hit around 15% at a maximum long term. Anything +% ROI in any format is good these days.

4.personal choice again, if you want to go a more aggressive route have a movedown plan like you mention. The key with this is that you can build quickly, but don't get stubborn when you are forced to move back down a level. Also, since you are just starting out it seems, it's worth noting that moving up to the next level might not be the best option for you, the games in the $7s are usually far more aggressive than the $3.50 games, theres a much higher % of better players, so you may not even be profitable at that level.
 
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these questions are for full ring stts only.

1. first of all i can only play 4 stts at a time , if i try hard i may increase this to 6 , under these circumstances , is it worth to play regular stts instead of turbos? yes the roi is higher but i will probably not play enough volume per day.
I can only play 4 as well. I mean, I can play more but I start to feel schizophrenic and I stop having fun
2. How many stts is it standar to play per day? and whats the minimum for a good player? I really don't know. I don't play for a living, I play for fun and to fund my live poker "vacations". I play about 3-4 nights per week for a couple hours after work and I prefer to play in "sets" and so probably only log 12-16 STTs per night that I play.

3. Whats the difference in roi among good players between turbos and regulars?
I have often wondered this myself. My ROI seems higher than these suggestions, but maybe my sample size is too small, or maybe I should consider moving up in stakes....?

4. Lastly , when do you move up a limit? lets say you need 30 buy in roll for 7$ , do you move up when the total of your bankroll is 210$? and if you do when do you move down? when you have 30 buy in for the 3.50$ or when you fall under 210$? in fact i think if i play 7$ at 210$ then i have like 15 buy ins before i move to 3.50$ , wouldnt be better to grind 30 buy ins for the next level instead of moving up when my total bank is x30 the buy in? my opinion will not be well liked here, but since I don't play for a living, I employ "riskier" brm guidelines for STTs than most here would recommend. I actually think 30-50 is fine. and for the lowest limits even lower if you're still building your roll.

my responses above in red.

As far as moving up the limits, I also employ the strategy of mixing in a few higher games as I play my normal game to "get used" to them. Usually as I'm moving up when I start my set I'll do 3 of my normal buy in and 1 of the higher buy in. I'll make the screen a little bit bigger on the higher buy in so that I can give it more attention and look for differences in the game. As I get comfortable, I'll do 2 and 2 and then 3 of the higher buy in and 1 of the lower buy in, and then eventually all the higher buy in...but when I go on a downswing I might mix in the occasional lower buy in again (usually just to boost my confidence and increase my fun).
 
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