So a sit out player quadruples up due to sheer stupidity.

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Okay here's the situation that drove me nuts.

Its an SNG with top 3 getting payed off and we are down to 4. The blinds are 200/400 and the sit out player has 430 chips. He is the BB now and will be down to 30 chips only if anyone raises the hand at anytime.

UTG and the button limp in to my SB, I just call and we have the flop. All 3 of us check the flop and the turn. Now comes the river and I am very well aware of the situation. I have absolutely nothing so I voluntarily fold my hand allowing someone to raise and make the sit out player fold. But no both those clowns check and the sit out player actually takes the pot nearly quadrupling his stack. Both of the 2 players had enough chips that a min raise wouldnt hurt.

Who do you think is the one who messed up here? I think the button is the one who really should raise in these situations regardless of what he has. Btw both of them had nothing.
 
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I think the big blind should of raised here especially if he had enough chips
 
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I guess ideally the button should raise but this reminds me when you hear "I thought somebody else would call 911 so I didn't call"

never assume other players see what you see, or will take the proper actions.

at any time a min bet from YOU could have ended the hand too...so you're just as guilty, not to mention you could take down the pot for your own purposes and help your own game.
 
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Okay here's the situation that drove me nuts.

Its an SNG with top 3 getting payed off and we are down to 4. The blinds are 200/400 and the sit out player has 430 chips. He is the BB now and will be down to 30 chips only if anyone raises the hand at anytime.

UTG and the button limp in to my SB, I just call and we have the flop. All 3 of us check the flop and the turn. Now comes the river and I am very well aware of the situation. I have absolutely nothing so I voluntarily fold my hand allowing someone to raise and make the sit out player fold. But no both those clowns check and the sit out player actually takes the pot nearly quadrupling his stack. Both of the 2 players had enough chips that a min raise wouldnt hurt.

Who do you think is the one who messed up here? I think the button is the one who really should raise in these situations regardless of what he has. Btw both of them had nothing.
as played, the btn
 
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I guess ideally the button should raise but this reminds me when you hear "I thought somebody else would call 911 so I didn't call"

never assume other players see what you see, or will take the proper actions.

at any time a min bet from YOU could have ended the hand too...so you're just as guilty, not to mention you could take down the pot for your own purposes and help your own game.
But I had 2 players behind me and I did voluntarily fold my hand, if I had checked then I'll be guilty too I think. But oh well its a lesson for next time I'll rather take the risk myself.
 
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You could have also min raised preflop and the bb would have folded, it could have been as simple as that.
 
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You'll find lot of idiots playing poker at microstakes. Don't be surprised. Just 3 days ago, I had an idiot who was bluffing into an empty side pot when I was holding a set, then kept bluffing into it when I had quads on the turn, then all-in on the river. And this was a cash game, not tournament. I've seen this dumb play in sngs and mtts, both in middle/late stage. Quite amazing and curious if they even have common sense, or what their IQ is.

UTG and Button were playing their hands, not the situation and players. They just like to fit-or-fold with their hole cards. ALthough you can't do much since you're out of position, it sucks when idiots don't even know how to take advantage of sitouts but yet, you dont' have enough chips or any hand to have a room to even make a move. I on the other hand, used sitouts to bully the crap out of other players. I even played mental games with them.
 
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If i know the 2 of them are going to check the hand I would of bet the turn.
 
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If i know the 2 of them are going to check the hand I would of bet the turn.
Amazing!
Why the turn inparticular? (why not a shove pre? over the two limpers? I'm guessing that HERO as actually shorter than the other two)
You do realize that HERO is in SB & first to act?
 
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I see this every day in DoNs and regular SNGs, especially on the bubble and especially on 888. So many donks who have no clue about standard SnG strategy and teamwork. I just saw a donkey-monkey (he was second in chips with 6 people left in a DoN) calling an allin on the bubble (with AJ!) from the big stack , and there was a sitout who had like 50 chips left and was about to be blinded out by antes. It Just goes to show how amazingly stupid can these donks be!
Also bluffing into a side pot on the bubble after a player is already allin, instead of just checking it down... Just amazing.
 
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I just started playing $1.10 SNG's on Bovada and I'm flabbergasted at the level of play, you would think people would at least read one book or a couple of articles on the basics before putting money down but I guess not. In the last game I saw somebody bluff-shove OOP into the aggressor on the river after calling away most of his stack chasing I don't know what, on a board with two flopped Aces and all he had was J6o.

Against players like these you have to be prepared to take the bad side of the most ridiculous suckouts too.

In this situation, if the limpers had me covered I would have just folded the SB unless I had a premium hand that I was willing to shove. Having to play out of position against the limpers is what concerns me, because you don't know what they're going to do if you raise, somebody might re-raise or shove and then you'll have a tough decision and be short-stacked even worse if you fold.
 
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This actually happens quite a lot when there are sit outs.
 
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lol-- that is funny
I would not have given it a chance to happen- raise your sb at least min pre and you solve the problem-
otherwise limp in but lead into the flop or the turn--

although this isnt really your fault-- someone should have open raised to avoid this
 
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"Who do you think is the one who messed up here?" You did man! Sorry to say, but you should have tried a mini raise just to feel the where they where at. If you spotted, it like missjacki said.
I think I play and think a lot like her... Second post that I totally agree with her opinion.
 
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Also bluffing into a side pot on the bubble after a player is already allin, instead of just checking it down... Just amazing.

this move drives me nutty. i have uncovered collusion thanks to a bonehead move like this makin my spidey senses tingle leading to keeping a closer eye on the two cheaters
 
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Amazing!
Why the turn inparticular? (why not a shove pre? over the two limpers? I'm guessing that HERO as actually shorter than the other two)
You do realize that HERO is in SB & first to act?
Sometimes the Turn will let me know what they have, but i have no better reason.
True, SB is a good shoving spot, I've done it a few times.
 
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My take on that particular hand is: you said you all saw the flop and checked, ok that's fair enough. Then you say all saw the turn, and checked. Right there i am betting, the b-b is out regardless, and you may take the pot down. Then you say the river was checked, again, i would have bet,{ assuming i didn't bet on the turn}. When i get check-check on turn and river, i am min-betting at the least.
 
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I would also say that at any point you should have put in at least a min bet. You cannot assume that everyone else in the game is paying attention. I also don't know why you would fold your hand without any bet. very odd play. I think here you min bet or you take the chance against the BB. Some players may not be paying attention to others sitting out like you are. Generally I am probably going to raise there preflop since the UTG didn't raise, showing some weakness with the blinds so high.
 
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You folded without any one betting and are complaining about them?
 
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I dont think you needed to fold your hand op.
As to others in the thread saying OP should bet, what you may be missing is that being out of position puts him in a difficult spot. So he checks the flop, everyone checks behind ok noproblem. Turn brings a card that could concivably help out opponents range, with two people to act behind why should we min bet bluff with no info? that should be up to the last player to act. again on the river another card that can concivably help our opponents out, why should we risk our chips bluffing into the other two players when they could easily have caught? if its checked to the river then the button should be the one to throw out the min bet. Since he is the one with info that the other players are weak.
 
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This is a classic tale of the limpers punishing themselves for once.
 
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nothing is more frustrating in poker, than how unaware players treat sitters
 
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nothing is more frustrating in poker, than how unaware players treat sitters

I'm sure there is... but anyways, there was a mistake made by everyone in the hand. The mistake was not to at least min-raise because that would effectively take this player out of the pot (and down to his last 30 chips!).

This scenario could not happen then, a quadruple up from 30 chips is not the same threat with this high blinds/ante.

Since the button did not raise it was up to the Sb. minimum raise please, allow him to auto-fold, now the three of you play a pot or you win pre-

Play was too cautious around the bubble, win all his chips and keep your eyes on 1st place
 
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At any point you could have min raised and solved the problem yourself. Hell, you may have gotten the other idiots to fold and you could have taken down the pot.
 
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