SNGs good practice for MTT final table?

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I know that with SNGs everyone starts out with the same amount of chips and the MTT final table most of the time does not. Regardless of that shortcoming, what do you guys think?
 
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But only need playing MTTSNG 45-360max... Certain skills you receive when you play at the final table, such as the right steal blinds, game SBvsBB and push fold...
Also, the game with a small stack when you have to wait when other players bust out because places in ITM final table very different...
 
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I agree with Horizon.
STTs however have no real bearing on an FT or the skill or sub-skill sets needed.
In fact I would argue that playing an STT with the mindset of practicing for an MTT final table would have a negative impact on your game.
 
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I agree with both of the above. Having the same stack size changes the dynamic entirely. If you can catch a hand early and get paid off for it, you can try to play around with being big stack bully, but even then the blinds/antes are going to be as high compared to the stacks to be able to effectively use it. I know there are a few programs out there that you can use that will be able to simulate a final table if you want some practice. However, I think it's more critical to worry more about the path to the final table as this will play heavier into how you do at the final table.
 
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its same tables like other all wanna ppl wanna win and play tighter
 
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playing any type of poker will help you get better at the other types, but I dont think sngs are the best practice for MTTs why dont you want to just play mtts with very low buy ins if you are not very skilled at cashing them so you can learn? unless there is a specific thing you are trying to work on, like heads up or finale table... sngs would probably be decent practice for the finale table of mtts.
 
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In MTT prize money is much higher than STT and must play to get the highest profit
 
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i dont think they are good lessons for mtts at all. Good to build bank up though carbon has 1.50 and up double or nothing 10 seat events that 5 pay basically you double once sit tight you money lol.

So that is good easy bank mover to me.

Mtts the higher the money the better group of player regs there are you have to learn your opponents sure sometimes you have a hott streak and win good cards etc.. but if you do not know the people your playing it can be tough or tougher.

Interesting thing american sites are smaller groups then I would have believed so doesnt take long to adjust imho to each field see the regs etc..

I do a lot of tourney winning watching etc.. on the sites I play so have idea on whose at what level etc..
 
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SNGS are NOT a good way to practice for FT

In a SNG its a variety of players donks good loose tight shove happy at a final table ITS GENERALLY ALL SOLID PLAYERS so playing sngs is fun and all but not anywhere near the level of skill at a final table. Unless your playing 100 dollar and up SNGS then the players are generally good and thats a little bit better way to practice.
 
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For me i dont practice SNG for final table in Mtt because its not that easy reaching final table.. so i still practice by playing in tournament games small buyin.. Like last night may 24 $50 CASINO ORG. I reach final table i got the 8 spot..this is the first time i reach final table in casino org.. and i play 100k priviledge and i ended in 200 someting.. while this one player bully me saying im idiot.. i still made in final table..
 
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One table sng much different from final table in MTT. Practice on head's up would be better ;)
 
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They are completely different. You can't compare a FT where the players made it through a huge field with players just sitting down in a sng.
Practice sng's by playing sng's. Practice MTT's by playing MTT's.
 
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Course. Experience shows that you are above level with experience.
 
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When you come to the final table the game totally changes - here you are all the winners on one table but the top 3 (especially 1st) are paid much better. Now its not MTT but only a TT :D
In a SNG you play to win the 1st place (or at least 2nd or 3rd in 9 seats)

So YES, I think playing SNGs is sort of good practice for the MTT's final table :)
 
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When you come to the final table in MTT the game totally changes - here you are all the winners on one table but the top 3 (especially 1st) are paid much better. Now its not MTT but only a TT :D
In a SNG you play to win the 1st place (or at least 2nd or 3rd if its 9 seats)

So YES, I think playing SNGs is sort of good practice for the MTT's final table :)
 
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not really

blinds go up much quicker in a sng

so i guess you could say the first 10 hands or so is good practice
 
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medium buyin,1 table sng is the best practice for mtt final table
also heads up sng will help you for the last 3 players
 
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I'd say there is value in playing 9-man SnG's to get better at a MTT final table. As Sup3rhot mentioned, all the money in an MTT is usually in the top 3 spots, much like top 3 get paid in a single table SnG. So some amount of strategy can be gleaned from playing the one tables. Of course, it won't be a perfect simulation, but much better than many of your other options...assuming you specifically want to practice for the final table of an MTT.
 
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not really

blinds go up much quicker in a sng

so i guess you could say the first 10 hands or so is good practice

Speed of the blinds depends on what type of MTT or SnG you are playing. Sure, blinds in a Turbo SnG go quicker than those in a slow Deep stack MTT.
What about a Turbo MTT (5 min blinds) and Turbo SnG (5 min blinds)?
 
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I can not win on the last table , prompt tactics
 
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I dont think it is good practice for a final table situation. In MTTs there are so many more chips in the tournament and chances for much bigger gaps and variance in chip difference that you just cant get when you play a SNG. futhermore your objective when you are playing a MTT and a SNG are totally different. When you are playing any tournament your first objective is to make the money. In a SNG your money isnt going to hit until you are 3 or 4 handed whereas when you are playing an MTT and at a final table everyone is already in the money. So the strategies are totally different. Of course you are going to always want to do the best you can and get as deep as you can its going to be many different strategies when it comes to how to play a final table. A sng is just nothing like a final table situation, A final table is where you can make the most of something you have worked long for... even weeks sometimes if you are running dry so they become much more conservative at times and pick their spots with a lot more accuracy then they would if they were just playing any SNG. There really isnt any practice you can get for a real final table situation, unfortuantely you are just going to have to keep playing until you get into those positions and take the practice and the moment for what its worth at that time. The best thing to do is play a smaller MTT and then that will give you a little bit more practice for big MTTs. Ive played final tables that had 5000+ people to start and ive played final tables where there were only 100 peopel to start but the play is generally around the same, and strategies are about the same. So my advice is to play smaller MTTs if you want some final table practice, it will give you a better chance to make the final table, and show you the difference and similarities you need to look at when you make a final table with a field of a few thousand. Good luck.
 
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I think that SNGs micro are for we learn poker and after train you can play SNG big.
 
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If you want to practice MTT at SNG's you shpuld play 90-360 players, but if you want to practice MTT final table playing...I think SNG's will not help you, just get into the final table - that'll be the best practice!
Good Luck!
 
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Would say that SNG's are good for Final tables in terms in working out ICM spots but they will not get you to the final table
 
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I dont think it is good practice for a final table situation. In MTTs there are so many more chips in the tournament and chances for much bigger gaps and variance in chip difference that you just cant get when you play a SNG. futhermore your objective when you are playing a MTT and a SNG are totally different. When you are playing any tournament your first objective is to make the money. In a SNG your money isnt going to hit until you are 3 or 4 handed whereas when you are playing an MTT and at a final table everyone is already in the money. So the strategies are totally different. Of course you are going to always want to do the best you can and get as deep as you can its going to be many different strategies when it comes to how to play a final table. A sng is just nothing like a final table situation, A final table is where you can make the most of something you have worked long for... even weeks sometimes if you are running dry so they become much more conservative at times and pick their spots with a lot more accuracy then they would if they were just playing any SNG. There really isnt any practice you can get for a real final table situation, unfortuantely you are just going to have to keep playing until you get into those positions and take the practice and the moment for what its worth at that time.
I strongly disagree with the bolded statements.

Your goal when you enter a tournament is going to be based on the number of entrants and the payout structure of the tournament, but is generally either "make the money" or "win the tournament". A satellite is on one end of the spectrum where "make the money" is the entire point, whereas large MTTs with a top-heavy structure that favor "win the tournament" are on the other.

Flat payouts structures and small entrant count tourneys favor playing to make the money, as that acknowledges ICM and leads to sizeable ROI. Steep structures and large entrant counts favor playing to win the tournament because a huge portion of the prize pool lies in the top 3 spots. ICM has very little bearing on decision-making until you are already quite deep in the tournament and in the money (often this is on the FT even). If you play to make the money in this kind of tournament you will often be playing too tightly, especially around the bubble, and be unable to make a sizeable profit in them.

A 9 man SnG is a reasonable approximation to an MTT final table because of ICM. Literally all the money is in the top 3 spots of the 9 man; virtually all of the money is in the top 3 spots of the FT. ICM impacts your decision making in these two situations in a very similar way, regardless of the fact that people are already in the money in the MTT. The fact that chip stacks are different, blinds are different, etc. are all minutiae that change the spots you see somewhat, but that doesn't make the decisions you face totally dissimilar. As a model for getting final table practice the 9 player SnG is about the best you'll be able to find outside of playing in MTT's and actually making final tables.
 
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