smooth calling with mid pairs

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hi, I was n at a full table sitandgo blinds, 25-50, the pot was raised 200 by a mid pos player and had one smooth caller to my right, i sat on the button with a pair of 88 and a stack of around 1300, i ended up folding becasue I did not think the pot odds were correct for me to call. do you think i did the right thing?
 
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I'd either push or fold, definitely not call. You don't have odds to set mine, and you don't want to play 88 against 2 players. Unless the MP raiser is super tight, I'd probably push here most times. You have a good hand if you're called, and you can probably squeeze the flat caller, giving you more equity with the dead money in the pot.
 
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Without any other info on the players and how they have played prior to this hand.....

I think you have to play this, whether you set mine (call), raise or shove.
If they were 6's or less then maybe a fold is called for.

Personally I think a call isn't that bad, it leaves you with a little more than 20 BB's
and you are in position.
If you hit the set chances are you can take it down.
A raise may push the flat caller out as Manic said and give you better equity.
Even if you don't hit the set, the initial bet was only 4 times the BB.

What did happen?

:cool:
 
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I really don't like calling here. Even if you have the best hand on the flop, you're almost always going to have 1-2 overcards and against 2 players one of them is usually going to bet into you. You're not going to be able to see the hand down to the river for free. True you still have 20 BB's left if you call then fold, but you just put in almost 1/6 of your stack getting 7:1 odds to hit your set. And even if you do hit you're not always going to double up, so the odds just aren't there.

Also don't like raising less than all-in. If I had AA/KK I might raise to 5-600 hoping for a caller. If we do raise to 600, we're pretty much pot committed, so we might as well just shove and be happy if they both fold.

That's my reasoning anyhow.
 
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I definitely agree with manic on this one, you need at least 10x the bet behind for a set-mine, and thats with multiple people in it, or against a very aggressive opponent (they need those kind of stacks too!), this is either push or fold.
 
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Thank you all so much for responding, this is only my second post, it is the first time I signed up for one of these sites and im glad I did, you have all been very helpful and I hope I can return the favor someday.
I should have given a little more info on the other 2 players, the original raiser seemed pretty solid, it was my first timed playing him/her, the caller however was a very poor player who id seen many times.
I was thinking a long the same lines as you guys, i just wanted to make sure I was not completly off base by folding. I try to read as much as I can, but books cant give you an exact answer to evry hand. Next time I get into a situaiton like this one I will be a lot more confident.
In the hand i ended up folding, the flop came out all under cards 5,7,3
both players got allin, with the raiser having qq, and the maniac catching a set of fives and winning the pot.
Again thank you for the help.
 
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i would have gone all in. u can probly get the blinds to fold...increasing your odds of winning the pot
 
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