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Hello, Let's say if you are in a MTT with 8 bbs in the bubble and you win a coinflip and get 14 bigs and then you swap table to another table where they all have 30 bigs+.

How would your playstyle be in those situations?
 
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I like these situation, + if big stacked player plays aggressive then that's perfect.
If he raises almost every hand then just wait your hand - and when you got it > allin - that's easiest way to double up. From my experience I had lot of situations like this and i can tell that if you broke big stacked players game, then that's pretty easy to take all his chips.
 
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I would be like a rock.

I would pass first the bubble then by then I would turn into a maniac.
 
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I would play aggressively to double up
 
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i would fold everything until i pass the bubble. my goal at this point is to make the money first. if i get aa/kk/aks, fine i'll shove, but other than than i'm folding including <=qq, ako. i've see too many crazy things on the felt where bubble boy shoves with ako or qq and one of the big stacks calls and wins with 57o. happens all too often. once you're in the money, then play your game. pass bubble first.
 
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i would fold everything until i pass the bubble. my goal at this point is to make the money first. if i get aa/kk/aks, fine i'll shove, but other than than i'm folding including <=qq, ako. i've see too many crazy things on the felt where bubble boy shoves with ako or qq and one of the big stacks calls and wins with 57o. happens all too often. once you're in the money, then play your game. pass bubble first.

and with 14 bb you can fall out and lose a money, better way is fight and if you got hand like QQ this just can not be used to double up... and players who play with 57o in bublle you can see in freeroll not in serious MTT torney...
 
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When then happens to me, I usually fold the first few hands unless I hit a premium hand in which case I push. Being new to the table, you have no info on there playing styles, they may have big stack by getting lucky or by playing smart poker, either way, be patient and wait for the hand that gives you the best odds to play
Being on the bubble is good and bad as you know you have played well to get that far, but sick if you leave.
 
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14 BBs is good enough to beat them and make them scare
Play slowly in 5-6 hands to know their style
If he play passive, wait for good situation (, BU, CO, SB,..) and shove more hands like KTs, 87s+, A7s+,A9o+,...
If he raises almost every hand, just wait for your hand and shove it ez
 
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When then happens to me, I usually fold the first few hands unless I hit a premium hand in which case I push. Being new to the table, you have no info on there playing styles, they may have big stack by getting lucky or by playing smart poker, either way, be patient and wait for the hand that gives you the best odds to play
Being on the bubble is good and bad as you know you have played well to get that far, but sick if you leave.

I second this. You should have enough chips to stay in long enough to understand your opponents playing style on the new table.
 
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I like to get in the money to ,but sometimes the other people on the bubble can be very tuff and while you wait on your chances to make the money you start to lose any chance to win the tourney.I would say look at the leaderboard see how many chips you have to gamble with between you and bubble boy and try stealing a blind or two from the button with a decent hand provided you can get one,the decent hand is only if he calls ,if he raises toss it in the muck pile.
 
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Often I find myself in the same situation.
Pushed to another table where I'm the short stack.
Arriving new to the table with 14BB is harsh.
If you're UTG or BB, it shrinks the short stack quicker.
Lot of good advices here
 
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Hello, Let's say if you are in a MTT with 8 bbs in the bubble and you win a coinflip and get 14 bigs and then you swap table to another table where they all have 30 bigs+.

How would your playstyle be in those situations?

It really depends on the scale of prize pool... I will play as a TAG and try to double up against loose fishes.
 
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Firstly i would personally not like to get in a coin flip situation for my tournament life at the bubble, not with 8 big blinds.
If the situation changes like you mentioned of having 14 big blinds and a new tab;e, well i would still play extremely tight until the bubble breaks after which i would find good spots to get it in and try and steal blinds whenever i can.
Now will be time where i would not mind indulging in a coin flip situation.:shakehand
 
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Firstly i would personally not like to get in a coin flip situation for my tournament life at the bubble, not with 8 big blinds.
If the situation changes like you mentioned of having 14 big blinds and a new tab;e, well i would still play extremely tight until the bubble breaks after which i would find good spots to get it in and try and steal blinds whenever i can.
Now will be time where i would not mind indulging in a coin flip situation.:shakehand
I have to disagree with you on this one.

In my opinion, the bubble is the best place for coinflips. Not only will people tighten up so you can take down the blinds uncontested, but even if you do get into a 50/50 and win, it gives you a much better chance to fight for a higher position ITM rather than just folding yourself into min-cash. Those higher position finishes will compensate the times you bubbled on a flip.

Back to OP, I would wait a couple of orbits and get to know my opponents, especially the two on my left before making any kind of a play unless I've got a monster like QQ+ or AK which I would jam or raise LP.
 
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Small Stacks double up using prime hands if they are lucky enough to get them-Most bluff their way to the money 70 percent of the time.
 
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hi!
when you have less than 20bb you dont have many options
also you dont have time to see other players aggression
shove any two in a good position or wait for a decent hand to shove
 
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aggressive play but most likely against a single opponent,as they always think that a small stack and you're bluffing actually this to do really with only pocket pair or a monster =)
 
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As a short stack you are in a better position to abuse the bubble than a meddling stack, most fish will lock up at this stage, your job is to find those fish and ship it on their big blinds, they will not call you unless they have a AK or better and for the times that they do have AK you're only a 60% under dog, if they have a big pair it's not the end of the world, miracles do happen... don't make the mistake of overlooking other players just because it is the fish/nit on the big blind try and get it in against 1 or 2 people if your hand has the potential to flop well... not 83off or A2 a lot of connector 78 or better is my preference and suited aces A7 or better avoid big stacks, they don't mind calling off light just to burst the bubble
 
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I have to disagree with you on this one.

In my opinion, the bubble is the best place for coinflips. Not only will people tighten up so you can take down the blinds uncontested, but even if you do get into a 50/50 and win, it gives you a much better chance to fight for a higher position ITM rather than just folding yourself into min-cash. Those higher position finishes will compensate the times you bubbled on a flip.

Back to OP, I would wait a couple of orbits and get to know my opponents, especially the two on my left before making any kind of a play unless I've got a monster like QQ+ or AK which I would jam or raise LP.

I agree with you on the first part.

I disagree with you on the 2nd part...by waiting a couple of orbits, your 14bb stack is now roughly a 10bb stack. I think this is too nitty, we're just blinding down hoping for the deck to save us with a monster (but we'll have no chips to even protect our monster). Surely we can play better than just waiting for the deck to bail us out! :)

At 14bbs you have a pretty good re-steal stack if you get the sense that the raiser is opening light, or abusing the bubble. Ideally, I like to have 15-20bbs to re-steal but 14bbs is close enough.

So, for instance even without reads, if somebody raises from late position, we can already put them on wider than a value range, right? so if you look down at a playable hand (including speculative hands) just jam. They'll fold their trash and speculative hands They'll call with their monsters, but even if they call with AK and you have pushed with a hand like T9s you are still 40% to win...not bad. especially since you might get him to lay down a hand like KT or Q9 which has you crushed.

and of course, jam with your monsters too.

My favorite thing is when this happens, I am new to a table, I re-steal with something like J9s, I get "caught" by a hand like AQ and I double up on some of my 40% outs. then later, you 3bet all in with a hand like JJ+ and they call you down pretty light. It's beautiful!

You can't nit up in these spots...you're actually still in great danger of blinding out so since you risk busting out of the money anyways, you may as well be attempting to build a final table stack in the process. So...most the time you bust (that's tournament poker in a nutshell for ya!) but the times you DON'T you're a real contender.
 
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If you have a few orbits left in the tank yet are low on relative FE then grind.
If you are out of Fold equity refer to approx ICM push ranges in position.

Shorter you are stacked more math matters in my esteem.
 
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I would be a rock like other said play tight until the bubble breaks then play semi aggressive and depending on your chip stack start playing someone aggressive because the big stack always will take advantage of the little stack at a table even with cards like 6-2 not caring just doing because well they can with the chips.
 
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I would shove with any 77+/AJo+/KQ.You should also take advantage of the situation cause people tend to be more tight on the bubble but be cautious with positon and the bigstack.
 
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in this situation i played push or fold with 89s+ and all pocket pairs..
 
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