SLOW PLAY/FAST PLAY IN & OUT OF POSITION

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This is sort of a confusing question.

In the strategyarticles it basically says: Slow Play when dry board flops and you’re inposition and Fast Play when a wet board flops and you’re out of position.
So the question iswhat do you do if a dry board flops and you’re out of position and a wet boardflops and you’re in position?
I am not sure, butis it correct that if a dry board flops and you’re out of position you shouldCBET no matter what even if you hit or miss on the flop?
Is it correct thatif a wet board flops and you’re in position you should CBET if you hit the flop and check if you miss the flop?
 
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Seriously! Nobody will answer my questions!

Everybody has 10-20 responses to their questions, mine, not a one, ZERO!!! HELLO!
 
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Try using a font size that requires less than 20/15 vision to read.
 
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What was the question? Post it here and I sure will answer.
 
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Since you joined (recently, by the way), I see 5 threads from you, 3 of which have plenty of responses. The other 2, as Kenzie indicated, are with a font so small that it makes my eyes hurt.

The other thing you might consider is a little respect and etiquette. As with everything else in life, it's not just about receiving, but about giving as well, right?

I can promise you that your time and energy invested here will be multiplied 1000-fold but kindly do the steps necessary to become a member to whom someone will actually want to interact with.

Paws up and welcome to CardsChat!

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This is sort of a confusing question.

In the strategyarticles it basically says: Slow Play when dry board flops and you’re inposition and Fast Play when a wet board flops and you’re out of position.
So the question iswhat do you do if a dry board flops and you’re out of position and a wet boardflops and you’re in position?
I am not sure, butis it correct that if a dry board flops and you’re out of position you shouldCBET no matter what even if you hit or miss on the flop?
Is it correct thatif a wet board flops and you’re in position you should CBET if you hit the flop and check if you miss the flop?
 
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yea the font did sam to be a bit too small, if u don't kno u can fix it just above hen u type the texts
 
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no formula, but some of the things you should be considering when deciding include:

1) # of opps
2) OOP/in position
3) board texture (based on opponent preflop range)
4) board texture (based on your preflop range)
5) your hand's showdown value
6) meta
7) effective depth
 
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This is sort of a confusing question.

In the strategyarticles it basically says: Slow Play when dry board flops and you’re inposition and Fast Play when a wet board flops and you’re out of position.
So the question iswhat do you do if a dry board flops and you’re out of position and a wet boardflops and you’re in position?
I am not sure, butis it correct that if a dry board flops and you’re out of position you shouldCBET no matter what even if you hit or miss on the flop?
Is it correct thatif a wet board flops and you’re in position you should CBET if you hit the flop and check if you miss the flop?

Yes
 
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This is sort of a confusing question.

In the strategyarticles it basically says: Slow Play when dry board flops and you’re inposition and Fast Play when a wet board flops and you’re out of position.
So the question iswhat do you do if a dry board flops and you’re out of position and a wet boardflops and you’re in position?
I am not sure, butis it correct that if a dry board flops and you’re out of position you shouldCBET no matter what even if you hit or miss on the flop?
Is it correct thatif a wet board flops and you’re in position you should CBET if you hit the flop and check if you miss the flop?
No
 
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What is effective depth? Stack size you mean?
 
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You wanted answers.....

Try posting some of your own hands, you will get better responses . (make sure you leave out results)
 
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What is effective depth? Stack size you mean?


Yes, not just yours but those of your opponents as well. Let's say that you are HU with a stack of 5780 but your opponent has 3010. In this case, the effective stacks are 3010, because this is the most that you can win from him. Make sense?
 
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If you read the Slow play/Fast play section it contradicts the Cbet section in the Post flop articles. Slow play/Fast play articles say slow play a dry board in position, fast play a wet board oop and the cbet articles say it is bad to cbet on a wet board, better on a dry board, which exactly contradicts one another. I am trying to figure out why?
 
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If you read the Slow play/Fast play section it contradicts the Cbet section in the Post flop articles. Slow play/Fast play articles say slow play a dry board in position, fast play a wet board oop and the cbet articles say it is bad to cbet on a wet board, better on a dry board, which exactly contradicts one another. I am trying to figure out why?
 
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If I were you I wouldn't worry about this theory of "bet wet/dry board oop/ ip" I would focus on taking advantage of your position(no matter what your hole cards) being consistant with your cbets(no matter what the board texture is), balancing your ranges etc. If you can execute this style of play, I think you'll do just fine in the long run.

GL on the felts!!
 
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I want to understand the game theory completely and then adjust from there. I think I go it, Slow play/Fast play is basically you got the nuts and your extracting and CBetting is semi bluff, medium hand. Am I getting warmer?
 
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remember that on this forum that you will get many peoples opinions. Even reading printed poker literature you will be getting one specific (or a collection of authors) perspectives and learnings on game theory. Perspective is reality and everyones is different. Just like every hand will play differently even though the cards you hold may be the same! Good Luck!

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If you read the Slow play/Fast play section it contradicts the Cbet section in the Post flop articles. Slow play/Fast play articles say slow play a dry board in position, fast play a wet board oop and the cbet articles say it is bad to cbet on a wet board, better on a dry board, which exactly contradicts one another. I am trying to figure out why?

The feeling that this very old GTO , to know exactly what bet or not ,it is necessary to know the type of opponent, stack sizes, table dynamics , your hand and position..

My opinion is necessary bet in dry board around 40-50% of the pot , if wet board it all depends on the aggressiveness of the opponent , VPIP and what is your hand, example if know villain lag in dry board better bet 30% of the pot , if tigher more much around pot bet ... It's all approximately, each situation must be considered separately...
 
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I want to understand the game theory completely and then adjust from there. I think I go it, Slow play/Fast play is basically you got the nuts and your extracting and CBetting is semi bluff, medium hand. Am I getting warmer?

All these questions can not be answered in two words, it is a very extensive because a lot of situations how playing definitely range hands .. Need to know specifically, there is no definite way to play consistently one strategy ..
 
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As Tenbob said, it would be better to post the details of some actual hands on which you want guidance. That pretty much always draws responses.

Few members are inspired by broad theoretical questions. To respond properly to those requires a very lengthy and detailed essay. Some of us have been known to write essays where necessary, but you need to be lucky enough to catch a member with appropriate knowledge on a day when he/she has lots of time to spare.

A more direct question about a specific point is more likely to be answered.
 
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for slow play you need to just having a good hand. since you have no need to fear the dangerous position of Bordeaux. It is necessary to raise all the streets are very aggressive so as not to lose as Daniel Negreanu with aces
 
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I choose play fast :) turbo sng, tourneys also :)
 
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