SITTING OUT,,Should You Be Rewarded ????

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Hello Everyone,

SITTING OUT,,Should You Be Rewarded ???Compensated???

I have seen way to often many,many player's begin playing a game and then Sit-out.
Is this a Strategy that people use ??

When playing/observing i often wonder if a player that Sit-Outs,, if they should in fact receive any proceeds $$ from a game. Why even Register??
This also applies when playing any league games and receiving points

Love to hear your thought's and Suggestion's on How we correct it??,,or ur ok with it
 
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i asked the same question in previous league season, and look like its ok! i disagree with this, sit-out = 0 points IMAO
 
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Sitting out is same as folding every hand. If you think it's a good strategy then you can sitout too. You'll almost never finish itm in regular tournaments unless you build your stack early and sitout and in league games you'll get around 10 points but have no chance to win 60 points for first place.
 
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maybe at night time is good when you make 4000 chips or more u can go sit out and u get that 15% itm :p
 
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Moved this to Tournament Poker since it is about tournaments.
 
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Depends on your skill level, the better you are the more hands you want to see, the less skilled the fewer.
On the other hand one of the primary advantages of online poker is the opportunity to play more hands in a shorter time period & thus gaining more experience.
So sitting out, for the less experienced is long term -ev & long & short term -ev for the more experienced.
As for the payout part of the question, sites have their policies & our individual opinions are just that, ours.
 
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Go big or Go home!

well ive been watching people sitting out in the free tournaments and wondering why they were doing it. now it make sense its clever/pointless we play poker for the buzz of the risk and chance of making big money.
you only live once so its pointless sitting out for the few penny's you will make for it.
 
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I think the most common is people who win a ticket and register immediately and just forget about the tournament or can't play it and register and try to win some cents with a little bit of luck.
 
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We usually are rewarded for positive action. Being neutral is basically a non action. No, a reward is not the answer, in my opinion....
 
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No way!!!!

I've often wondered how good that can be. What ive decided is that those people are not giving the other players at the table a fair shot at increasing their stake. Players at tables where everyone is involved have a greater chance of upping their chips and have a greater chance of finishing in the money. Just sayin.
 
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You play like you think,and the rest as they can...
 
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Should I fold AA because you would prefer it.

I and anyone else can play however they want, if I or anyone else wants to sit out then what has it got to do with anyone else, I would prefer that other players fold to my bluffs but I can't make them.

As long as that person is legally in the game then they can do whatever they want.

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I've often wondered how good that can be. What ive decided is that those people are not giving the other players at the table a fair shot at increasing their stake. Players at tables where everyone is involved have a greater chance of upping their chips and have a greater chance of finishing in the money. Just sayin.

I don't care if I am not giving you a fair shot at increasing your stack, why would I.

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Try looking at the matter from a different perspective.
I play MTTs a lot and when the cards are just not coming, and I can see by the tournament dynamics that I will be soon in the money (time-wise), i simply fold 99% of the hands except for monsters.
So how am I different from someone who sat out?
I waste more time, since i need to act as oppose to automatic fold pre-flop when someone is sitting out, also, if players are limping and I am on the BB i get to see free flop where there is just some possibility to hit a miracle flop and win some chips.
In the end, which one would you prefer? Someone who is sitting out, folds automatically, gives up his chips from the blinds, or someone who folds almost all the hands, but can still change something in the game (for better or worse).
In that regard, I have no problem with players who are sitting out, as I prefer seeing them making it easier to play when they are on the SB or BB.
Looking at it this way, I have no reason to hate if some of them get into money...
 
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If youve managed to build up a stack large enough to sit out and cash, then you have just as much a right to a prize as any one else. I prefer people to sit out in the bubble because they give up a ton of equity in the prize pool by doing so
 
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I have seen some players do this after 3 hours of tournament with 50bb in chips, if there is some strategy is just to rest the mind to get back more focused.
 
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I don't really care when one or two people are sitting out and I understand sometimes it just happens due to unforseen circumstances anyway. But I also know people that use this as a strategy prior to end of the rebuy period. Preferring to put their chips at risk when they are in freeze-out mode of the game, instead of someone that could just be splashing the pots rebuying when they lose.

My only beef with it is when i get on a table and there are 2 or 3 playing and 6 or 7 sitting out. It's just boring. But it's part of the game in online play so ce' la vi'
 
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I don't really care when one or two people are sitting out and I understand sometimes it just happens due to unforseen circumstances anyway. But I also know people that use this as a strategy prior to end of the rebuy period. Preferring to put their chips at risk when they are in freeze-out mode of the game, instead of someone that could just be splashing the pots rebuying when they lose.

My only beef with it is when i get on a table and there are 2 or 3 playing and 6 or 7 sitting out. It's just boring. But it's part of the game in online play so ce' la vi'

my biggest point would be in league play when sitting ,mostly when points are concerned, if there were 50 players in the game and all recieved some points they can try sit out and will gain points,but reverse it where points would only be offered to the top 10 and im sure you would see everyone play
Yes its aggravating having only 2-3 players actually playin and the rest sitting, I found usually 1 ends up with the chips ,so i will say they have an advantage in chips when moved to another table
 
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In my opinion, there is a distinction that needs to be made in that a player that registers for a tournament and does not even login to the client to play at all is different from a player that logs into play a tournament, and has to sit out for some real reason, vs a player that logs into a client to play a tournament, and then decides to sit out for a length of time to gain an advantage.

In the second and third examples, the player is actually at the computer, and at some point in the tournament is active in the game, plays a hand, and then decides to auto fold. It could be that the phone rang and didn't want to lose their timebank. It could be that their kids were going to bed and they wanted to go do bedtime. It could be that the internet goes out. It could be that their laptop's motherboard fries mid-tournament. OR it could be that they know that there are short stacks and they don't want to be tempted to play a hand in order to ladder up.

In every one of those cases, you can't punish them. They logged into play, they played something, and then they sat out. Whether they sat back in is irrelevant in my opinion because they showed up and took their seat. Now in league, just like being in the money in a MTT, sitting out and laddering has an advantage. But...can you punish someone whose motherboard fries on them mid-tournament and take away their 4th place when they started sitting out with 9 left?? (May know someone this happened to....). I can't in good faith penalize them. Contrast that to someone who folds every hand on purpose - even AA. They aren't sitting out but are doing the same thing. Can you penalize them?

Now...where I have the issue is those that register for a tournament and fail to login at all. This person may have payed for their seat - real money or play chips - and don't even play a hand at all to attempt to seek the same advantage. The difference is that there's no effort to play their hands to the best of their abilities - rather they are hoping that they can ladder up without bothering to play.

Again though, this is tricky because there are circumstances that someone could register, not show up and not play. Again, personal experience, but I registered for a league game on Thursday, and got home Friday night around 40 mins before game time. My internet was out. Totally, and not coming back. I couldn't play the home game on mobile, so I had to create a hot spot, connect the laptop to it to unregister from the game. Had I gotten home 10 mins before I may not have had enough time to get out of the game, and I would have gone the entire game without playing one hand. And I know others pre-register because they get home after late registration is over, but not so late that it makes no sense for them to play.

Again, how do you punish those that lose internet entirely, get caught at work late, stuck in traffic, or who are making an honest effort to play, but for some reason can't vs those looking to gain an advantage.

Some sites will boot you out of a tournament if so many levels pass and you haven't logged into the client but Stars isn't one of them. Policing this is impossible - we play in an online world, not in a brick and mortar casino (although this would be a riot doing this league live - you, me, Shel, Trish and Dave aren't that far apart, and Devon and Jeremi aren't too far) but you get the point.

My only recommendation would be that anyone caught doing it more than one get questioned to ensure the effort is legit, or suggest that they play a day that's more convenient for them. But ultimately, there are too many honest variables to punish those that decide that auto-folding AA is a +EV strategy.
 
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In my league there's a guy that's slept through the his last three league games and registered way to early for a game I was going to cover that he also sat out during, but because he still gets the 12 or 13 points every time no matter what he gets to play in the first mate game while I missed it by 4 points. So in that sense, no I don't think they should be rewarded in getting to play in that type of game, but as a general point role I don't think there's anything you can really do unless it becomes something that's happening all the time just to get a set number of points every week, but still the ones that get stuff for sitting out is very irritating:mad:
 
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Every time you play a tournament with people sitting out, that’s extra dead money in the pot that 1 less person is fighting for. You should be fighting to take their blinds fairly regularly.
Free rolls are awesome, sometimes 6 of 10 players are sitting out, and basically my steal% is through the roof!!!!
About 80% if the other table mates are weak. I just leave their B.B. alone
 
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Most sitters usually don't make it to the bubble. If they earned the chips to make it past the bubble they deserve the money, others start again once they are in the money.
 
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I was just playing a freeroll tournament, I got moved to a table with all but one player sitting out, he was pushing all-in every hand, taking the blinds and had a sizable stack. I called with AKs, lost. This guy took the advantage when he had it, a good opportunity for him
 
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