Shoving an Ace in SB

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A spot that often comes up is in the mid late stage of mtts, you get dealt a weak ace in the small blind and the action has folded around to you. How should we play this spot? For arguments sake let's say we have 20k and the blinds are 600/1200. The big blind (also 20k) has defended against some raises and 3 bet you in the blinds once. You get dealt A4o in SB and action is to you.

Should we be:
Shoving here (if so at what stack size should we no longer do this)
Raising to induce a reshove and then calling
Raise folding
Limp calling
Limp folding
 
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I definitely prefer shoving here 22+, A2+, KT+, K9s+, QTs+ (<18BB)
 
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If you are deeper than ~20BB, you should no longer be shoving there. Also, raising to induce is very bad with A4o here bc you lose your fold equity which is the whole point of shoving there.
 
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He is in the small blind bets and I think it should just fold and play a hand from a good position but it would be the button
 
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I agree with SnGLearn on this one. pushfoldcharts.com is a good site that will show you if you are +EV or not with under 10 BB. I hope that helps!
 
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For me its show. U have 16 bigs your opponent is the same stack so fold equity is highter. Its more likely he folds because wont risk a tournament life with more than 20%~ range hands.
 
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I think shoved is ok. You can consider a raise to 2.5X/3X in order to receive a 3bet all in and you should call. Is it a turbo MTT? FOLD is not an option for me.

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I think shoved is ok. You can consider a raise to 2.5X/3X in order to receive a 3bet all in and you should call. Is it a turbo MTT? FOLD is not an option for me.

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That's exactly what you do not want to happen.. when you raise and he 3bets you have to fold, which is why shoving is the better option here.
 
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vs "average" opponent I think shoving is best from about this stack size and under. at about 18bb I favor other moves as we've got reverse implied odds with our huge over shove. I'm assuming there are antes which make the shove more profitable.

vs. tight opponent I prefer to min raise since they will be folding too often so I get a good price and I lose the minimum when they wake up with a hand. And, to be clear I will fold to their 3bet whether it is a shove or not. Obviously the danger here is that the BB might call with a hand like QT that has good equity and might have folded to a shove. but I think we can win with a min bet and automatic half pot bet on any flop often enough that the low variance line is preferable when facing a tight, straightforward BB.

vs. a maniac or super aggressive action player I would actually limp to induce his shove. I know it's gross. But when you open jam A4o he's not going to call off with much worse hands but he IS going to raise you light a ton when you limp. in fact, if you limp and he raises 3.5bb with a hand like 93o and you jam....he might actually just fold which is a delight. he will call all the times he has hands like JT but that is ok. getting your stack in as a 55-60% favorite vs. a guy like this is OK if you have a plan and stick with it. and sometimes he'll have the top of his range and oh well....that's poker.
 
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guys how do you feel after muck with AA hand all inn from preflop, thats sick right??
 
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guys how do you feel after muck with AA hand all inn from preflop, thats sick right??

I like tank-flating AA in late stage of tourney then check-raise post flop.
 
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Shoving pre seems the most optimal vs an aggro opponent . It is unexploitably profitable to shove here so we cant be outplayed oop vs aggro opp . If the opp was more passive I prefer maybe raise folding but shoving would also be fine. The point in which I would stop shoving is above 20 bbs.
 
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I agree with SnGLearn on this one. pushfoldcharts.com is a good site that will show you if you are +EV or not with under 10 BB. I hope that helps!

Thank you for this! Very helpful website.
 
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A4o in SB, for me Raise folding is the best option :deal:
 
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Against a tight opponent I prefer to min raise and probably fold if he reraises or shoves. Against an aggressive one I either shove or I limp to set him up for a shove. If I am lets say half of that stack, like 9 BB or below it's a shove no matter who is against me in that scenario.
 
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i limp and if he raise i allin,if he go allin i fold.I am playing so sometimes
 
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i would shove, usually it works.
rarely i get knocked with a AJo AQo called by the BB
 
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With stack below average you need to take every opportunity you can have to increase your stack and take some chances.
 
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I would give all in with any Ax in this fight blind, after all his range for calling is very restricted because the tournament it is at risk.
 
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Should we be:
Shoving here (if so at what stack size should we no longer do this)
Raising to induce a reshove and then calling
Raise folding
Limp calling
Limp folding

For me you should Limp folding, he already call you before and your hand is not that strong. :jd4:
 
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If you have not seen this villain call off light I would likely shove in this spot, if he has called off or shown down some speculative hands I don't mind the raise fold.

I wonder in a similar situation but making you the big blind what is your calling range to a SB shove at 16 bb?

I feel as though mine is relatively tight, somewhere around 66+, AJo+, KQs+ to A10s+ (heavily player dependent). is that to tight ,to loose or Okay?
 
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A spot that often comes up is in the mid late stage of mtts, you get dealt a weak ace in the small blind and the action has folded around to you. How should we play this spot? For arguments sake let's say we have 20k and the blinds are 600/1200. The big blind (also 20k) has defended against some raises and 3 bet you in the blinds once. You get dealt A4o in SB and action is to you.

Should we be:
Shoving here (if so at what stack size should we no longer do this)
Raising to induce a reshove and then calling
Raise folding
Limp calling
Limp folding


First you said that action has been folded to you and in the next line you said that BB is defending against some raises?
If everyone folded to you i would attack BB for sure.
If someone raised like 2x or 3x and someone else calls i would fold that hand same second.
 
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I'd say any Ax for <= 20 BBs is a shove in SB.

However, like someone said above, if you know the person folds way too many hands then you can either just min raise or shove a lot wider to steal blinds & antes.

It all depends on your villain's ranges.
 
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