Originally Posted by jernest
Hi all, when dealt AA or KK in BB on the very first hand of a single table SnG with 4 - 5 limpers - especially one from UTG - is a large raise or a shove more likely to induce a call?
It seems on the rare occasions that I have such good holdings in this situation that a 6x - 8x BB (sometimes even as low as 4xBB) raise usually causes folding all around. In other games where the Premium PP is in someone else's hands, given some limpers - they shove and usually gets at least one caller sometimes more.
So the question is, does a first hand shove get more callers than a "proper raise" due to players thinking the shover is an idiot/donk or whatever, and if I am holding such a hand and want the callers will I get a caller with a shove when the same individual may have folded to a pre flop raise?
I guess taking all of the limped bets is nice, but I would rather get better action. Should I lower my raise to a min raise or even just 3xBB raise hoping for a re-raise/shove or one or two callers? Any thoughts appreciated. And this is only dealing with BB or SB play.
You don't want to play AA or KK multi-way. If you 2x-3x raise behind 4-5 limpers, you're begging to be sucked out on. Rather, you need to raise the 6x-8x you suggested and narrow the field. If it's still early in the SNG, I don't think shoving is a good idea, just because you're really not going to get called that often. If you're later in the tournament and have around 20 BB's left, you can try to shove.
If you take down the pot pre, that's a good result, or at least, it's better than offering implied odds
and stacking off when you fall behind. Hopefully, you'll get no more than two callers (getting heads-up would be ideal), and you can feel more comfortable about getting stacks in without improving on the flop.