Shove or 1/2 pot raise with STRAIGHT FLUSH Nuts

so i played this guys and we got down to the river where I completed my straight flush to King High. The guy had a little more than double my stack when we started playing and he kept calling my raises. First i called a small 1/3 pot raise on the turn after previously have called his 500 raise pre. Then raised 1/2 pot on the turn and he called. And then when completing my flush straight bet 1/2 again just to not scare him away. should I have shoved for the rest of my chips. and get a full doublup?

My input.

How much of a gentlemen do you want to be. If you want to be a gentlemen poker player according to this old United Kingdom Player I met in my travels. They will give you a half pot chick raise but not an all in. How was the player playing before that hand. Was he making people go all-in and bullying them. Prolly a good idea to pay him back.

Ricardo Morales said:

so i played this guys and we got down to the river where I completed my straight flush to King High. The guy had a little more than double my stack when we started playing and he kept calling my raises. First i called a small 1/3 pot raise on the turn after previously have called his 500 raise pre. Then raised 1/2 pot on the turn and he called. And then when completing my flush straight bet 1/2 again just to not scare him away. should I have shoved for the rest of my chips. and get a full doublup?

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It would depend on the opponent and what hand/hand range you put him on. If you thought he had an A-high flush, you have figure out how much they would call and how much they would fold, then bet in between. Lets say they had a flush, but a a straight flush is showing. You know they might call a 1/2 pot bet, but would fold to a pot sized bet, so you should bet in between at around 3/4s pot.

UncleConRon said:

How much of a gentlemen do you want to be. If you want to be a gentlemen poker player according to this old United Kingdom Player I met in my travels. They will give you a half pot chick raise but not an all in. How was the player playing before that hand. Was he making people go all-in and bullying them. Prolly a good idea to pay him back.

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Is poker about being a gentleman? I mean, yes, you can have a gentlemanly attitude when you play, but you should also playing with no hesitation to take/make as much money as you can off of your opponents.

Better to get a smaller value bet than scaring him off with a shove, as others have said "It Depends" is he the type that won't fold, is he likely to shove if you make a weak bet, lots of variables to look at.


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All in ! get value for the nuts

What you should bet on the river here is determined by the range that you put your opponent on here . If you believe your opponent to have a strong range of 2pair/set type hands then the optimal play would be to bet pot or shove . If you believe your opponent to have a weaker set of hands , top pair /middle pair/draws then a smaller bet around half to try and get paid by the weaker parts of the range would be optimal. I believe you should try and think more about opponent ranges during hands which will allow you to determine correct sizing in spots like this .

i would play that as a small bet if it comes on the flop depending on how many players were in the hand and hope for a re raise, if everybody calls then i would be a little more aggressive on my next bet. on the river i would push

In this situation I would say the value bet is the way to go if your Straight flush card has improved him to say a nut flush he is going to do the work and re-raise or if he has not improved maybe he re-raise bluffs you but if it has not improved and you jam all he can do is fold.

I would make a bet for him to think I'm lost, bluffing.Hoping I tried to make a steal at the end. I bet 1/3 of the pot

If he is snap calling and not taking anytime to think about it, I shove and hope to get the quick call. Otherwise, i see it as getting some money is better than getting no money. He could easily fold if you move in, judgement call really, on if you think he will call if you push.

CuAt69UsdSng says A lot of small pots , more often , i like bet to the 40 %
, all in generate very big FeQ , ever look your SPR

I did not shove because they way he was playing it and what he had done before me, led me to believe he was not going to call an all in. It would have looked too strong.

I think that betting a little bit more then 1/2 pot is a good move in your situation. All-in on river i will do just if i played aggressive previously and everyone on the table think that i am aggressive player ,then all-in may be interpreted as bluffing from my side

Hey guys its better to get paid than a fold from a player.

it is all about your opp
is he calling station? what hand does he have? is he binded to the pot? that's where extra chips are coming from.... when you feel that your opp is binded to the pot - go all in with nuts

Whats the pot amount? How much chips you and the villain left? Villains persona and yours.

Those parameters will guide you if you either value bet or shove.

hffjd2000 said:

Whats the pot amount? How much chips you and the villain left? Villains persona and yours.

Those parameters will guide you if you either value bet or shove.

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Pot size and stack size should determine your bet, a three times pot bet is just as bad as betting a single big blind. Bet every penny you think he may call give the range of hands you have him on vs the range you are representing. If you think he has the but flush bet more if he's on a one pair type hand bet less.

It just depends on a lot of factors, as most have said. If you think the river has completed his flush, then you can probably bet pretty big. But there is also a good chance that he will see the third suited card and figure out that when you shove, you've hit a flush. I would at least bet what you bet on the turn, and if you think he is going to call regardless, then shove.