Should I use my fpps for some 1/4million sat tournaments? Also, how useless are T$?

I currently have 2600 FPPs and I'm silver star. I am hoping to go for goldstar this month if I get enough volume in by grinding some SnG's.

Orginally I was going for gold star so I could save 5,000 FPPs and get a $50.00 bonus. Currently, I could add a $25,00 bonus for 2500fpp and that would leave me with nothing really and the extra $25.00 might come in handy but in all honesty it isn't that much so I'd like some advice on the best way I should approach doing it.

There are several different FPP buy in amounts for 1/4 million tournament and there are two that most interest me in terms of being easier to obtain by the looks of it.

1: 10 handed 70fpp turbo (1 seat to the $11.00 - 1/4million)

2: 20 Handed 210fpp turbo (6 seats to the $11.00 - 1/4million)



Now, in terms of value the 20 handed option seems more profitable. You're paying 3x the amount of fpp's, but there are 3 extra seats available in terms players/seats, correct?

Is this the best option for me to go for and has anyone had any experience in playing these? Are they soft compared to the 10 handed tables?

I obviously hope you can un-register as that would be my whole intentions, to gain more dollars to play more SnGs and so on..

I'm wondering if it's worth the whole messing about? Thoughts on this? I'd have to 3 seats to make it profitable from roughly 12 sats. Is this a realistic amount or am I best just getting the $25.00 from the store??

Besides which as I'm typing this I really don't know if it actually is worth it now looking at it lol. . .

Also tournament dollars, how useful or useless are they? Sure I can play more SnG's but I'd forever have tournament dollars, correct? Or do you select to use tournament dollars to buy into SnGs as opposed to your real balance and if you cash, you cash in real money?


I hope I haven't made it confusing the points I'm getting at and would love some feedback from people who have done it before or general input which might help!

Thanks!

If you use T$ to buy into SnGs, the money you win is cash, not T$

These are perfect or us sng players, they also have 235 fpp 6 player hyper turbo, 6 players top 2 get the T$. I like playing the 210 fpp ones with a third getting paid they are good value and pretty soft too most times and I think thats your best option if you want to use your fpps.

Mr McCluskey said:

These are perfect or us sng players, they also have 235 fpp 6 player hyper turbo, 6 players top 2 get the T$. I like playing the 210 fpp ones with a third getting paid they are good value and pretty soft too most times and I think thats your best option if you want to use your fpps.

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I saw the hyper turbo ones. They seem like a bit to much luck involved. Which 210 ones and the third getting paid? I can't see those ones. Also do you find them more valuable than buying a cash credit?

cool32steve said:

If you use T$ to buy into SnGs, the money you win is cash, not T$

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Yeah, I thought that's what happened...cheers.

ramdeebam said:

I saw the hyper turbo ones. They seem like a bit to much luck involved. Which 210 ones and the third getting paid? I can't see those ones. Also do you find them more valuable than buying a cash credit?

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20 players 6 places paid. I may spend my 1k points try make a small boost in my roll

I'm gonna play one in a minute (210 FPP).
I strongly believe unregistering is possible, but I'll let you know if I win a seat.
I'll also note if they're really soft.

Thanks for the thread, never really considered turning FPP into T$.

Sounds interesting..
How to change FPPs into $T?

Ok, just played one and finished one (the 20 players FPP 210 buyin, 6 paid).
Generally spoken, fwiw, because I only played one....very soft.
I made some notes during the tournament which I will share, but first of all, if you get a seat and unregister you'll get t$ 11.

So, my notes:
It started with at least 1 Supernova and 1 Goldstar at the tables.
In the beginning lots of limping and min-raising.
I once checked my BB at BB 20 and after checking along to the river to 1 opponent I bet 30 at the river to be called with....nut straight...I mean, he just called....
After that, a hand I raised to 150 with AA (BB 50).
Got called by someone with (seemed later) K8o.
On flop Kh5c6d, I bet 220 and he raises AI to 3100 chips.
I snap call ofcourse and double up, but it seems to me there's no intention to lay down TP.
A little later, I raise preflop, 1 call, I flop TPTK, I bet flop and he calls, bet turn and another call, check river and actually he called all the way with a flushdraw, while I was not giving any odds to him to call at all.
I've seen a guy with a stack of 1525 setmining at BB 150.
At this stage, BB 150, the play is really passive, lots of limping, but no agressive play.
Just as people get to a stack around 10BB, some of them wake up, shoving AI, while most of them are waiting for a monsterhand.
Back to 1 table almost all of them ar waiting for others to bust, because 10 are left and 6 are paid.
Unfortunately upthere I had the 2 chipleaders to my left, so I had to be careful, but finally just a few steals with high blinds were enough for me to earn a seat.
One other note, don't expect to many of them to understand about silent collusion.
As I said, I just played 1 (outof curiousity), but this one was soft,soooooooooo soft....

Forgot to mention, it was done in 55 minutes, and yes the supernove made it too, allthough I don't think she/he was playing strongly in the final stages.
Actually, almost nobody was, just waiting for the bust-out of others and actually getting blinded out.
I won't say I played it strong (while playing,already found some mistakes I made), but as said, stealing here and there at high blinds got me the seat.
Also, as you only start with 2 tables, from the beginning I opened the other table to watch every player in the game.
So take it for what it's worth, I'ld suggest, open up the other table too, play TAG in the beginning and watch the others play.
As blinds go up, start stealing from position with decent hands (obv not ATC), unless there's maniacs, and if played back, just fold unless you have it real good.
There's time enough to wait.
Don't limp...just raise or fold.
At BB 100-150 try to build your stack. Play was very passive there (12-15 players left), lots of checking down to the river there.
Back to 1 table use your reads of the other players to get from 10 to 6, which gives you the T$'s.

Again, this is all based on playing just 1 of these, so when I played some more, which I definitely will, I'll probably update, but I hope this was usefull somewhere.

Wow, what does a supernova do in a 210fpp satellite?

From my experience a lot of those "big" players play totaly recless in these just cause its a "freeroll".

When it comes to T$ I guess u will have no problems getting rid of them if you are a SnG player.

Its also possible to sell them. You can usually get close to full price for T$ (1$ for 1 T$).

Antilyzer said:

Sounds interesting..
How to change FPPs into $T?

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By entering a FPP satellite, win and unregister from the target tournament.

Thanks 10058765 for the replies and feedback on them. Going to give them a shot myself!

ramdeebam said:

Thanks 10058765 for the replies and feedback on them. Going to give them a shot myself!

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Played some more later on the (European) evening, not earning a seat though.
Play was slightly different, but still very soft.
More LAG play, which you should adjust to, but if you do, you should be able to take a shot at paid places.

I'm not home right now, but 1 hand I remember well:

BB 20 , I'm UTG+1 with JJ.
I raise to 60, which normally is standard to me, but should have been more in this donkament.
Got 1 call from the BB. I bet pot (I have overpair) on a dry flop and he calls, I bet turn (still overpair) and I'm 99% sure I'm ahead here, he shoves all-in and I call. He turns over Q2o.... .
But...the sucker hits a backdoor-flush.

Well, those things happen and I don't care, but I just want to show you what kind of opponents you can expect.
However, be aware who you play because I've seen some regs too, not many, but enough to make it important to watch the players very closely.

Played 9 of those right now.
So, 1890 FPP investment in total, and earned T$ 33 so far, which obv is better than taking a bonus of $25.
However, after playing 9 of them I've got a slightly better idea of how they are played.
You could say, well in 6 of them you didn't earn a seat.
True, but that was because of inexperience, impatience and bootz and a few bad beats.
Actually, because of people eliminating eachother, you hardly have to play a hand.
Make sure you stick around the average stack and you'll do fine.
Don't call all-ins without a monster, others will and eliminate themselves.
Soft, very very soft...all I can say.

Tonight, played 3 of them and got 2 seats, and if I can manage that, every decent player can.

thanks for posting this blog. I have had some of the same questions regarding use of fpp's and T$ on FTP

please keep the replies and suggestions coming.

I will be checking back to see more responses from people with experience in these areas.

thanks again

Atticus22 said:

thanks for posting this blog. I have had some of the same questions regarding use of fpp's and T$ on FTP

please keep the replies and suggestions coming.

I will be checking back to see more responses from people with experience in these areas.

thanks again

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IMO the FTP's/FPP's on FullTilt are not worth as much as they are on pokerstars.
When it comes to T$ u can use them the same way on both sites, but if you want to sell them it works differently.

I'm gonna give these a shot.

The 6 man 210 FPP super turbos are the best overall value. 1-2 gets $11 and 3rd gets the money back. They only take around 10 minutes maximum to complete and they are usually pretty soft. A lot of people who play them are cash players, but there are definitely some good to very good players in them also.

The absolute best overall value for good players are the 5,400FPP 6man super turbos to sunday million.

WiZZiM said:

The 6 man 210 FPP super turbos are the best overall value. 1-2 gets $11 and 3rd gets the money back. They only take around 10 minutes maximum to complete and they are usually pretty soft. A lot of people who play them are cash players, but there are definitely some good to very good players in them also.

The absolute best overall value for good players are the 5,400FPP 6man super turbos to sunday million.

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Yeah I'm still tempted by some.

I find it frustrating that the FPP sats are better for structure.

I mean, I'd love to see some 6max 2 seats to 1/4mill cash games as opposed to FPP but for some reason they dont do them.

I won my first one today.

You can also sell T$ to other players - find grinders on the forums and sell them at cost price if you don't play tournaments/SnGs normally.

WiZZiM said:

The 6 man 210 FPP super turbos are the best overall value. 1-2 gets $11 and 3rd gets the money back. They only take around 10 minutes maximum to complete and they are usually pretty soft. A lot of people who play them are cash players, but there are definitely some good to very good players in them also.

The absolute best overall value for good players are the 5,400FPP 6man super turbos to sunday million.

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hey, i was looking for this tourney. i saw 210 fpp 6 seats, 20 players. is that the one u were talking about?

akcash said:

hey, i was looking for this tourney. i saw 210 fpp 6 seats, 20 players. is that the one u were talking about?

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No, they are 6 max super turbos to the 1/4 million.

I think this was 280 fpps before, now all I see is 235, top 2 get entry, 3rd gets0 fpps.

The 210 with 6 out 0f 20 getting tickets sounds interesting though