should i have fold here

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heloo guyz i just got busted by playing these hand . i should have folded that hand and save my stack , but i unable to do so as the player i was against was pretty loose and he is a calling station and i missed the spot that he reraised me .i should have folded the hand there ...
what would b the best play here , tell me so that i would make better decision next time when i would in same spot again

Dealt to rrp{h3rtbkr} [Th Tc]
anirai5010: folds
anyway2104: calls 250
keronpa: folds
rrp{h3rtbkr}: raises 500 to 750
responsibler: raises 500 to 1250
toshi1964: folds
musasabi0801: folds
Probiboy18: folds
guanlerbaba: folds
anyway2104: folds
rrp{h3rtbkr}: raises 1625 to 2875 and is all-in
responsibler: calls 1625
*** FLOP *** [4s 8d 4d]
*** TURN *** [4s 8d 4d] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [4s 8d 4d 7h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rrp{h3rtbkr}: shows [Th Tc] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
responsibler: shows [Kh Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Fours)
responsibler collected 6600 from pot

Second hand
10c $50 dollar game on pokerstars
i had AA and my aces always got busted and it happens again
I opened with Pocket ace on the cut off position and two player limped and i raise 1400 and two player called me and flop comes 3 K K and i shoved all in and one player called me with K 10 and i lost the hand
how would u have played here
Blind was 400/800 ante 50

PokerStars Hand #104883417611: Tournament #794210678, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2013/10/01 20:12:02 IST [2013/10/01 10:42:02 ET]
Table '794210678 62' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: stefanok2011 (4743 in chips)
Seat 2: PISTOLET24 (3907 in chips)
Seat 3: frostyzz (14596 in chips)
Seat 4: Chendek (4741 in chips)
Seat 5: rrp{h3rtbkr} (4885 in chips)
Seat 6: starkedrach (12050 in chips)
Seat 7: FavaStar (2875 in chips)
Seat 8: tesaking (4330 in chips)
Seat 9: ennomobile (7432 in chips)
stefanok2011: posts the ante 50
PISTOLET24: posts the ante 50
frostyzz: posts the ante 50
Chendek: posts the ante 50
rrp{h3rtbkr}: posts the ante 50
starkedrach: posts the ante 50
FavaStar: posts the ante 50
tesaking: posts the ante 50
ennomobile: posts the ante 50
FavaStar: posts small blind 200
tesaking: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rrp{h3rtbkr} [As Ac]
ennomobile: calls 400
stefanok2011: folds
FavaStar said, "nh"
PISTOLET24: calls 400
frostyzz: folds
Chendek: folds
rrp{h3rtbkr}: raises 1000 to 1400
starkedrach: folds
FavaStar: folds
tesaking: folds
ennomobile: calls 1000
PISTOLET24: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [3h Kc Kh]
ennomobile: checks
PISTOLET24: checks
rrp{h3rtbkr}: bets 3435 and is all-in
ennomobile: folds
PISTOLET24: calls 2457 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (978) returned to rrp{h3rtbkr}
*** TURN *** [3h Kc Kh] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [3h Kc Kh 5c] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PISTOLET24: shows [Ks Td] (three of a kind, Kings)
rrp{h3rtbkr}: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
PISTOLET24 collected 10164 from pot
 
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On the first hand you didn't have very luck. You had less than 12BB and with TT in that situation is obviously to go all-in before the flop.
On the second hand you had to play better. I mean you had aces, the blind was high 200/400, two players pay the BB so for my opinion you should made bigger raise before the flop, something like 3xBB + one BB for every player that call the BB, that would be 2000 chips. However, this hand was also unlucky for you. Losing with two aces is the worst thing that can happen on Poker, but that happens and in this situation you should be played that aces better.
 
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Hand 1. I agree it's a straightforward shove pre-. There's no particularly good reason to put in 1/4 of your stack by making it 750. Also, since that's what you did, you can't really fold to the 3bet, and calling pot commits you anyway, so the 4bet shove is fine.

Hand 2. You have 12 BB. Shove pre- over the limper. Making it 2k basically pot-commits you anyway. What you want to try to avoid is bet-sizing that's small enough so you end up seeing the flop vs. more than one opponent.
 
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Hand 1 : agreed you have 12BB you should be getting it all in

Hand 2 : to avoid this you need to work on your BB management
Arjonius said you had 12BB, im concerned because after looking at it i only see 6BB, at this stage your tournament is already over, and even if you shoved, i cant see K 10 folding due to your stack size, i understand that the 10c is a turbo aswell, which means you definately need to be a little looser so that you have a stack size never drops below 15BB,
 
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Hand 2 : to avoid this you need to work on your BB management
Arjonius said you had 12BB, im concerned because after looking at it i only see 6BB,

Wow, you have good reason to be concerned: Seat 5: rrp{h3rtbkr} (4885 in chips) tesaking: posts big blind 400 4885/400=12bbs bro
 
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On the first hand you didn't have very luck. You had less than 12BB and with TT in that situation is obviously to go all-in before the flop.
On the second hand you had to play better. I mean you had aces, the blind was high 200/400, two players pay the BB so for my opinion you should made bigger raise before the flop, something like 3xBB + one BB for every player that call the BB, that would be 2000 chips. However, this hand was also unlucky for you. Losing with two aces is the worst thing that can happen on Poker, but that happens and in this situation you should be played that aces better.
I don't think the 2nd hand was played that bad. raising to 2k would only leave him < 1/2 pot bet to shove flop.
He's obviously never folding any flop with a pot-sized bet left in stack.

fwiw, I'd most likely just shove in both of these spots pre. Personally I think the raise over limpers while sitting with a stack of that size just looks way too strong (but you never know, there's always lots of bad players who don't figure in effective bb's & once they've invested anything in the middle they're coming along). I think shoving in that spot would appear to be with a wider range then 3x-3.5x-ing it over a couple limpers.
 
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Wow, you have good reason to be concerned: Seat 5: rrp{h3rtbkr} (4885 in chips) tesaking: posts big blind 400 4885/400=12bbs bro

ahhh i see it now, ill tell you what it was, the original info he gave us was the blinds were 400 800 with an ante
so then i looked at his stack size and thought hmmmm theres only 6BB, and hadnt clicked that it was a mistake on the OP part
 
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Wow bad luck
1Hand all in post flop
2Hand real baaad luck bro
 
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The problem of raising here to 3x is that it will be a tell. At least for the way I play. When the ante is introduced, I start raising to 2x to have pot control (in that I am shortstack or most of the opponents are shortstack, so it is a way to have good pot control). And if I raise to 3x instead of 2x it will be a tell.

What I mean is, if you played the hand preflop as you were playing any hand you would have entered the pot, it is ok, you don't have to make tells, its just bad luck
 
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i m getting what u wanna say there "matiusaa" u r right u 3x bet is a tell that i have some big pairs or big Aj,AQ,Ak . something like that ,i think i should have pot control there and the best play would have in preflop instead the raise i made there
 
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Get it all in pre on both hands. You just got unlucky so nothing you can there. 2nd hand- you want to get action but if the way you played and flop is 224, you won't get action from the K10.
 
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