should i have done something different

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I was playinng in a live league game where we started out with 10000 chips and blinds went up every 30min. the blinds were 50-100. there was one limp in i had 11000 in chips where i wake up with pocket tens i decided too raise 475 total late postion folds the button calls the two blinds fold and the limper calls. The flop goes 5-5-2 one check my tuen to bet this is a great flop for my tens their was 1575 in the pt so i bet out 1475 the button decides to re-raise me 4000 chips. the player who checked after the flop folded. i was thinking their is no way he has a 5 in his had he maybe would have just called and i didnt give him credit for a floped full house with him having pocket 22s in his hand. he could have limped in with pocket aces or kings but he would have re raised with those hands. maybe qqs. After thinking about it for awhile i didnt put him on a higher pocket pair then what i have so i decided to re re raise him all in for 6300 on top. So he was real;ly thinking about it he started the hand with18000 chips. I was trying to be still he asked me if i had pocket kk or aa finally after what seemed for ever he called my bet he had pocket qq. The turn was a king and the river was a 9 so i was out of the tournament. My question is could i have played this hand any differently then i did.
 
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Considering it was early in the tournament you might have folded.
Did you know the player? Was he someone who might fold those Q's?

It sounds like you had a good read on the hand, so I assume you were trying
to get him off Q's by representing K's or A's.
If you were sure he would fold then I can agree with your decision but if you
were hoping for a fold from an unknown player then I think you were being
a little rash so early in a tourney.

:cool:
 
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I disagree that you had a good read. How confident can you be given that it's still early? Not awful is as far as I'd go, but those two are not synonymous.

It seems at least somewhat optimistic to eliminate all the holdings that have you beat from his range. While it would be standard to re-raise pre- with premium pockets on the button, it's also not a horrible spot to under-rep his hand by just calling, witness that it worked. And post-, he can call and lose and still have 80BB, so your shove isn't as threatening as it would be if you could bust or cripple him.
 
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Make a note to yourself - this is the kind of stuff you will run into repeatedly in the early stages of these tournaments.

You did a fairly decent analysis on the flop but you forgot that this guy called your big raise - so yeah he didn't call that with a 5 or a 2 - so what would he call with? Now put that together with what would he reraise with?

You would probably reraise with AA or KK or even QQ - do not make the mistake of thinking your thinking is their thinking - in other words they don't play like you. It was probably not very smart of him to slow play to the flop but he has to figure if he can dodge an A or K on the flop then he is golden.

Remember this guy and make a note - he likes to trap.
 
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do any of u think i would have been better of calling the re raise and the shoving all in on the turn when the king comes.
 
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No, fold or shove the flop. In a live MTT at this stage im folding almost 100% of the time.
 
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Your analysis on the flop is okay to a point, but...

It's not highly likely but also not impossible for him to have a 5. With his stack, he can certainly afford to speculate. So he could, for example, have decided to call in position with something like A5s, suited connectors, maybe even suited gappers. Or 55.

He also has ample implied odds to set mine with 22.

And engrave what Mediablitz brought up into your poker consciousness. Do not assume other people play like you. Or that they play the way you'd like them to because it would be comfortable for you.
 
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