should i have called?

hog wild mtt,550 or so entries ,pays top 5,bbs r 7500,ihave 75 k ,all fold ,sb shoves allin 50k and im bb with aj off,i folded,i look back and think i should have called, i hadnt seen him shove all nite,then same thing happens again bbs r 10k,all fold,he shoves ,i have k2 ,i fold.then a few hands later,all fold hes button,im sb and bb only has 1.5k left after his 10k bb,the button goes allin ,ifold with rags,bb calls and the button only has 910 off. i ended up 15th,do u think i should have called with the aj ?

Yes that is a snap call BvB.

You are about 64% to 36% against ATC, but 26% to 74% against AKo,AQo.

I suppose you can snap call here you have villain covered if you flip and miss you still have 25K left. I probably would fold tho, imo.

I agree with Leon, I would fold with AJ, I'd call with AQ or AK but not AJ.

Fold is unbelievably bad. Fist pump time ainec.

super standard call, he will turn up with hands you have dominated here so often

BlueNowhere said:

Fold is unbelievably bad. Fist pump time ainec.

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duggs said:

super standard call, he will turn up with hands you have dominated here so often

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He hadn't shoved all nite and you wanna flip with AJo? Come on now......Super Standard? Nah............

NEWTDOG101 said:

He hadn't shoved all nite and you wanna flip with AJo? Come on now......Super Standard? Nah............

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flip? he has 7bb, not too mention how large a sample do you really get of SB vs BB action, if he had given me a few walks i still would snap him off because he is def shipping Ax K7+ JQ J10 22+ at the absolute minimum. which we have great equity against.
also he should be shoving close to any 2 in this spot.

you really saying AJ is a fold and AQ is close?

calling seems tough when a guy shoves for the first time all night but in relation to the blinds he can shove there with a very wide range. I shove in his spot with a very very wide range of hands but i also would be shoving most of the night if im under 10 BB. I call

duggs said:

flip? he has 7bb, not too mention how large a sample do you really get of SB vs BB action, if he had given me a few walks i still would snap him off because he is def shipping Ax K7+ JQ J10 22+ at the absolute minimum. which we have great equity against.
also he should be shoving close to any 2 in this spot.

you really saying AJ is a fold and AQ is close?

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Those are the standard numbers....(AJ to AQ) If he is shipping 22+ we are behind from the jump. How often does small stack jump against big stack with ATC at this stage? Like I stated I suppose you can call and only because of ur stack size and not because we hold AJo. So don't live by it.

NEWTDOG101 said:

Those are the standard numbers....(AJ to AQ) If he is shipping 22+ we are behind from the jump. How often does small stack jump against big stack with ATC at this stage? Like I stated I suppose you can call and only because of ur stack size and not because we hold AJo. So don't live by it.

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we are a 59% favourite against that tight range which means we should be calling irrespective of our stack size. us having slightly more chips than him doesnt effect this decision in the slightest.

If AJ isnt an auto call here then it is mathematically correct for him to shove without looking at his cards

duggs said:

we are a 59% favourite against that tight range which means we should be calling irrespective of our stack size. us having slightly more chips than him doesnt effect this decision in the slightest.

If AJ isnt an auto call here then it is mathematically correct for him to shove without looking at his cards

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Stack sizes should always be considered here. AJo here is just not profitable here and we have no reads other than haven't seen villain shove all nite. So what do we lose here if we fold?

by definition 59% equity with dead money in the middle is hugely profitable. what do we gain by folding?

I stopped calling pushes from tight players with AJ just the other day.

Of course it was about the 200th time that I've been hit with an AQ.

Eventually I learn though.


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duggs said:

by definition 59% equity with dead money in the middle is hugely profitable. what do we gain by folding?

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Fold equity..............but not saying ur % is wrong but in this spot of the unknown don't make it Super Standard.

JusSumguy said:

I stopped calling pushes from tight players with AJ just the other day.

Of course it was about the 200th time that I've been hit with an AQ.

Eventually I learn though.


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That's all im trying to say here Phil, I learn my lesson too! lol

JusSumguy said:

I stopped calling pushes from tight players with AJ just the other day.

Of course it was about the 200th time that I've been hit with an AQ.

Eventually I learn though.


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are you really suggesting that blind vs blind he is only shoving AQ+ ???

NEWTDOG101 said:

Fold equity..............but not saying ur % is wrong but in this spot of the unknown don't make it Super Standard.

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how exactly do we gain 'fold equity' by folding? all we are doing is passing up a great +EV spot,

also the fact this is the first time he shoves isnt really that indicative of much,
he has 7bb, him raising would be terrible,

jimmyd1953 said:

hog wild mtt,550 or so entries ,pays top 5,bbs r 7500,ihave 75 k ,all fold ,sb shoves allin 50k and im bb with aj off,i folded,i look back and think i should have called, i hadnt seen him shove all nite,then same thing happens again bbs r 10k,all fold,he shoves ,i have k2 ,i fold.then a few hands later,all fold hes button,im sb and bb only has 1.5k left after his 10k bb,the button goes allin ,ifold with rags,bb calls and the button only has 910 off. i ended up 15th,do u think i should have called with the aj ?

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Yes, because you two have similar stacks and he needs to steal the bb just to survive.

What do we think he's shoving with here? Probably ax, any pair, and a lot of high connectors (JT+). This puts you ahead of most of his range, flipping against a pretty wide part of his range, and only behind the very top of his range. Chances are you're ahead here, and you've got equity if he has AK or AQ.

I think folding AJ in this spot is too tight unless you're sure he's only shoving with premiums.

He hadn't shoved all nite and you wanna flip with AJo? Come on now......Super Standard? Nah............

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True, but if he hasn't shoved all night it must just be because he hasn't had the stack to. Not everyone recognises shoving spots. Some people will min raise a 4x UTG raise from someone who has 12bb with KK because they think: "I've got 20bb and he'll fold if I shove over."

Had he gone all in at all? Not shoving pre but calling all in pre? What had he called all in with?

duggs said:

how exactly do we gain 'fold equity' by folding?

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Misread that one, the villain gains it if we fold.
I rest my issue here tho by saying it's not a bad call but I don't think it's the best.

NEWTDOG101 said:

Stack sizes should always be considered here. AJo here is just not profitable here and we have no reads other than haven't seen villain shove all nite. So what do we lose here if we fold?

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Lets consider sample size here before you say fold based on villians previous acgtions. Presume tourney has played 9 handed for the most and they have been sat BvB for 3 hours (probnably alot less) and dealer is competant and deals 30hands/hr. That's a 10 hand sample size for B.vB. now bear in mind all the times action has happened in front which has prevented this play as well as the smaller blins which meant it wasn't worth shoving. Also you can probably presume villian understands poker since has has played tight so will also be aware of his table image as well as probably being the first realistic opportunity to shove. If I knew I could throw somebody off AJ I would be shoving ATC in this situation and made a ridic amount of money.

Even against a really tight player who only james 22+, A2s+ A5+ and KQ calling is still far and away better than folding.

To call you only need the expectation to be better than -1BB. I'd love to know what range people are giving to him that has a worse expectation of -1BB when called. To say AJo is not profitable here is so wide of the mark. I stick by fist pump time and not close.

BlueNowhere said:

Fold is unbelievably bad. Fist pump time ainec.

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thank ****? guys are shipping 6 1/2bb BvB and people want to fold an ace with a 10bb stack LOL

come on.. seriously?

folding AJo in this situation when only 5 are paid and the blinds are as big as they are is crazy imo. im snap calling for 7BB easy, if u cant win a race against a small pair when u only have 10 BB left then ur not guna cash anyway. Get ur money in there

If the guy was any good he should be shoving ~85% (maybe more) of his total range here. So if he was good im snapping 22+ q9o+ and j10s+, think that sounds about right.

BEERM4N said:

If the guy was any good he should be shoving ~85% (maybe more) of his total range here. So if he was good im snapping 22+ q9o+ and j10s+, think that sounds about right.

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Against OP id ship ATC