nerdazoid
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Me and a friend have been having a debate about this and he likes to show me these shove/fold charts that show when you're short stacked which hands you should always shove or fold with or a strat article about playing short stacked etc...
His opinion is that when you get below 10bb in a tourney, the only option is to fold your hand or shove. I tend to not see things as black and white though and think I don't get to the point of shove or fold at exactly 10bb, esp if most others are just as or shorter stacked than me and the person im going against has like 20 bb.
Okay so here is the specific hand that caused me to write this as he made fun of me for the min-raise.
Game: NL Hold'em (4.75+0.25) - Blinds 500/1000 Ante 50
Table: Mini DeepTurbo 75 GTD - Table 1
Seat 2: Player1 (4510)
Seat 3: Player2 (9620)
Seat 4: HERO (7847)
Seat 7: Player4 (6080)
Seat 8: VILLAIN (18250)
HERO has the dealer button
Player1 posts ante 50
Player2 posts ante 50
HERO posts ante 50
Player4 posts ante 50
VILLAIN posts ante 50
Player4 posts small blind 500
VILLAIN posts big blind 1000
** Hole Cards **
Dealt to HERO [Ah 7s]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
HERO raises to 2000
Player4 folds
VILLAIN has timed out
VILLAIN folds
HERO refunded 1000
HERO wins Pot (2750)
So as you can see I was on the button and figured my hand is worth trying to steal the blind with so I raised. The BB has a few more blinds than me left and I know him to be not very aggressive so I figure I will raise him hoping to steal the blinds but also having a potentially decent hand for a flop. The debate arose when he asked if I would have folded to a shove to which I said yes and he started saying I should never have raised to begin with unless I shove otherwise I should have folded. My argument is that if he isn't aggressive and shoves on my raise which represents a decent % of my stack, then he must have a really strong hand and I shouldn't call it. And I shouldn't shove because then if he has that sick hand I'm committed and can't back out so I'd rather be able to fold and be short stacked than to lose if he has a strong hand.
So my question is in general when do you feel like you should only be folding/shoving. He likes to show me these charts : http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/ and says they are unexploitable, but I still don't think it's that black and white at 10bb.
Sorry if I've messed up anything about the post or it's formatting, I am new here.
His opinion is that when you get below 10bb in a tourney, the only option is to fold your hand or shove. I tend to not see things as black and white though and think I don't get to the point of shove or fold at exactly 10bb, esp if most others are just as or shorter stacked than me and the person im going against has like 20 bb.
Okay so here is the specific hand that caused me to write this as he made fun of me for the min-raise.
Game: NL Hold'em (4.75+0.25) - Blinds 500/1000 Ante 50
Table: Mini DeepTurbo 75 GTD - Table 1
Seat 2: Player1 (4510)
Seat 3: Player2 (9620)
Seat 4: HERO (7847)
Seat 7: Player4 (6080)
Seat 8: VILLAIN (18250)
HERO has the dealer button
Player1 posts ante 50
Player2 posts ante 50
HERO posts ante 50
Player4 posts ante 50
VILLAIN posts ante 50
Player4 posts small blind 500
VILLAIN posts big blind 1000
** Hole Cards **
Dealt to HERO [Ah 7s]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
HERO raises to 2000
Player4 folds
VILLAIN has timed out
VILLAIN folds
HERO refunded 1000
HERO wins Pot (2750)
So as you can see I was on the button and figured my hand is worth trying to steal the blind with so I raised. The BB has a few more blinds than me left and I know him to be not very aggressive so I figure I will raise him hoping to steal the blinds but also having a potentially decent hand for a flop. The debate arose when he asked if I would have folded to a shove to which I said yes and he started saying I should never have raised to begin with unless I shove otherwise I should have folded. My argument is that if he isn't aggressive and shoves on my raise which represents a decent % of my stack, then he must have a really strong hand and I shouldn't call it. And I shouldn't shove because then if he has that sick hand I'm committed and can't back out so I'd rather be able to fold and be short stacked than to lose if he has a strong hand.
So my question is in general when do you feel like you should only be folding/shoving. He likes to show me these charts : http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/ and says they are unexploitable, but I still don't think it's that black and white at 10bb.
Sorry if I've messed up anything about the post or it's formatting, I am new here.
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