Short Stack Correct Play?

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I was just wondering what some of the grinders on this site think of how to play short stack. Some people say loose-aggressive, but I think its actually tight- aggressive, sometimes even tight passive to try to realize your equity and also to maintain some equity in your stack.

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I think tight-aggressive is the right way to play when you're short on chips!
 
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I am not a specialist in short batteries, but the style of play should be more strict and fair with the sizes of bets that are made.
Because there are less blinds (from 10 bb to 40bb) the game should be tight.
When you decide to bet, your movements will mean value and that way you can get more money in the long term.
Your bluffs should be reduced to particular situations, few active players in one hand, dry boards with bluff of evercard on the flop. For example.
You must risk little and mostly you must play strong hands and from dominant positions.
When using this strategy you must have a minimum margin of error, so you must have a clear concept of play.
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I agree with you both. But to challenge the thought, what if you are at an already tight table? Would playing small pots with a wider range like for instance 78s 89s 910s as well as the top of your range be profitable and help build back up a stack rather than waiting to invest it all on one hand that may end up not being what you want depending how long you wait with the blinds...

I dunno, but I'd say 10-15 blinds there is still a more open range to minraise and try to see a flop. Also, it looks like you want someone to call you because you raise small on a short stack. This usually always is viewed as a strong play.
 
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It depends on your villains, stealing blinds is very important some tables with miniraise other with shove.
 
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Position is still important in shortstack, especially in early stage
 
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I think that when the stack is short, you have to analyze the average number of chips that the other players at the table have then and how they played during the tournament because sometimes you could steal the blinds and on another one if there are players with a Large stack on the table, you could take advantage of this and be patient to wait for a good hand that there is a high probability that some of them will call a possible shove, I think that these are the two best ways to handle a short stack
 
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It definitely depends on a lot of factors, like what the structure is, but generally I'd describe the best short-stacked style as loose-aggressive. If you have 15bb or less, then having to post your blinds every orbit and an ante every hand will cripple you soon if you don't act. Plus the blinds and antes are usually about to increase!

You can open-shove and jam over previous limps/raises with a fairly wide range to accumulate chips and have a shot at doubling up.
 
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Depends on position regarding thee bubble as well as the remaining players behind you in the hand. At some point, I would push while I still had enough fold equity to impact the decisions of the rest of the table. Good luck.
 
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ICM trainer is best for you, just download it.
 
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You guys got some good advice. I appreciate it a lot.

ICM trainer is when you make the money. Before that there has to be strategy.
 
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If you're a short stack, your number one goal should be, obviously, to not be a short stack, and that finding a good spot to go all-in, especially if you're at a table with a bunch of loose callers. There's no reason to wait.
 
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Everyone has a short stack are different, someone is 10бб, someone is 30бб, and who is even a little than 50bb. For me, a short stack is 20-30bb, but these stacks I will play in different ways, 20bb I will play only all-in, and 30bb can be played as standard raise or call 3bb, if for example I have a hand AA, KK, QQ, AK, and in the distribution will participate 3 players or more, then I will play definitely all-in.
 
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With a short stack, the main task is to avoid unnecessary risks. I try to wait for a premium hand, do not call and do not check, in the distribution to enter only with a raise or all-in.
 
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When I'm -16bb, I play according to a very reliable push/fold chart, only taking into account the players after me and if I'm close to the ITM bubble/final table bubble...
 
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I was just wondering what some of the grinders on this site think of how to play short stack. Some people say loose-aggressive, but I think its actually tight- aggressive, sometimes even tight passive to try to realize your equity and also to maintain some equity in your stack.

Thoughts?
just look for some push/fold Charts, they are a good Approach for a short deck strategy.

I think tight-aggressive is the right way to play when you're short on chips!

being short on Chips and waiting for premium Hands is a bad combination. chances are high that you just blind out and have to shove 3-4bb with rags.

Everyone has a short stack are different, someone is 10áá, someone is 30áá, and who is even a little than 50bb. For me, a short stack is 20-30bb, but these stacks I will play in different ways, 20bb I will play only all-in, and 30bb can be played as standard raise or call 3bb, if for example I have a hand AA, KK, QQ, AK, and in the distribution will participate 3 players or more, then I will play definitely all-in.
not sure if there is an official Definition for "short stack", but 20-30bb is definitly not a short stack in Tournament poker. for me less than 10bb is short.
are you afraid About playing post flop? because playing push or fold with 20bb seems to be very aggressive :D

With a short stack, the main task is to avoid unnecessary risks. I try to wait for a premium hand, do not call and do not check, in the distribution to enter only with a raise or all-in.
I think with a short stack it's most important to take risks.
sometimes you have to Risk it for the biscuit :p
 
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Collin Moshman wrote a short answer in this thread, since he has written books about Sit and Go play I know he can give you a lot of advice.

The poker for dummies answer is that there are Nash charts and other all-in charts you can google for play under 15-20bb. It's not always optimal to push that "deep" as an open but it is close enough if you follow the charts to show profit in the lower stakes MTT, SnG and spin and go's. If someone already has limped or raised it is almost always correct to shove or fold.

HU and 3-handed SnG and Spin and Gos you often start with 25bb and can mini-raise and even limp in the beginning. And also call with some hands that flops well but you don't want to push (mostly suited cards or two high cards just under the premium hands).

But one thing you can't be is passive and just wait in most formats.

Under 8bb it is almost always push or fold.
 
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When I'm on a short stack, I always play tight aggressive. I mean when I have 10BB or less I play all-in or fold. When I have more than 10BB, I still play tight but I also play after the flop.
 
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When I'm on a short stack, I always play tight aggressive. I mean when I have 10BB or less I play all-in or fold. When I have more than 10BB, I still play tight but I also play after the flop.
If you have 10bb and a couple of places till you hit the bubble fold everything except AA and KK. Otherwise. Play tight and try and get HU with players when you have AT
 
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Hi!
I think a lot depends on the position and playing style of other players. In my opinion, the best solution is the Stop and Go tactic, as this solution reduces the effect of variance. In addition, if a player has a small stack, his fold equity drops a lot and he can get a call from several players.
 
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For short stack play, I prefer more loose aggressive because at some point if you don't play a hand that is measly good you are going to get blinded out even with a good hand.
 
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